Respect

Post by **Best First** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:38 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4595788.stm

So Tony wants a culture of respect. naturally this will be 'enforced'.

is it me or is he running at this totally the wrong way? I'm not questioning the need for controls and penalties in some cases but no one seems to be looking into why so many people feel disenfranchised in teh fisrt place.

what is even considered as 'respect'? I suspect if i called someone a knob for holding a conversation in a shop doorway i would be the one more likley to be carted off butthey are being just as inconsiderate to thoe around them.

thoughts?

what is respect?

how do you nuture it?

i think 'classes for parents.' are a good idea in principle mind, but i'm curiosu as to ho wthe carriculum is to be defined.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:31 am

Me, my girlfriend, my friend and his girlfriend (who is my girlfriends friend) usually hang out at my place and drink, party, dance, etc. before we go out to a club. (we do this like once every two moths).
The neighbour who lives under me is like a hundred years old and goes to sleep at eight o'clock or something.
At two different times we have woken her up with our music/dancing.

Now, we always leave my place at around twelve o'clock - and it's always a friday or saturday when we do these kind of things.
Are we being disrespectul to the dinosaur who lives beneath me - or should the dinosaur respect our young party-attitude?
It's not like we are trashing my place, Whiskey in the jar-metallica-video-style. We are just four people who play games and laugh.

Should I go to jail for calling her a dinosaur on the internet?
Should I be forced to leave my home for three months because of this?
Would Blair punish me for this kind of behaviour?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:12 pm

Best First wrote: what is respect?

1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem.
2. To avoid violation of or interference with.
3. To relate or refer to; concern.

Best First wrote:I suspect if i called someone a knob for holding a conversation in a shop doorway i would be the one more likley to be carted off butthey are being just as inconsiderate to thoe around them.

if they didn't move out of your way then calling 'em a knob would be just as justified as them blocking your path, but i know what you mean.

Best First wrote:i think 'classes for parents.' are a good idea in principle mind, but i'm curiosu as to ho wthe carriculum is to be defined.

yeah, i agree with you, a lot of the problems i see today are to do with the younger generations. this in turn, logically, must be related to their upbringing...
i blame Thatcher.

Post by **Denyer** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:19 pm

Schools and military academies have been trying to 'enforce' respect for centuries.

Terry Pratchett has a charming story about this in one of his books featuring the Guards cast... anyone know which one it's in? Someone, I think it's Vimes or Nobby, is talking about an instructor who used to be a hardass about things... but after they graduated, well, they took him out to a pub... and into the back alley and kicked seven shades of sh*t out of him...

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:41 pm

Denyer wrote:Schools and military academies have been trying to 'enforce' respect for centuries.

Terry Pratchett has a charming story about this in one of his books featuring the Guards cast... anyone know which one it's in? Someone, I think it's Vimes or Nobby, is talking about an instructor who used to be a hardass about things... but after they graduated, well, they took him out to a pub... and into the back alley and kicked seven shades of sh*t out of him...

The story is Jingo

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:43 pm

Im not sure its to do with ppl feeling dis-heartened and stuff. some ppl really do belive they can do what they like, behave and act like they want, where they want, and when they want.

Essentially its the 'anti-****' law to me.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:12 am

Optimus Prime Rib wrote:The story is Jingo

Cheers.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:59 am

just comming back to this after having my legal lawer mate explain this to me, thier are alot of loop holes in the law that stop the police from helping communities. essentially the law gives the police powers.

The only thing I would be worried about is how police use these powers, as it was pointed out to me tho the abuse of police power could happen under any law, not just a new one.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:16 am

Best First wrote:what is respect?

Different from courtesy, which is what Blair really means.

I might not respect my neighbours, but I'm not gonna blast Rage Against The Machine out at full volume at quarter to three in the morning because I know they wouldn't like it. I know they wouldn't like it because I'm sure I wouldn't like it.

Courtesy. Not respect.

Blair's a ****. I have no respect for him, but I don't send him anthrax. Not out of courtesy, but because I don't want to go to jail. Even though national hero status would be a small consolation...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:24 am

Blairs the best thing this country has ever seen. - as voted for by the public 3 times!

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:33 am

Only people in Blair's constituency should have been voting for him. If the system works how it's meant to. Which it blatantly doesn't.

Being the best thing available at the time doesn't make him the best thing ever seen. Personally, MLT's goal against Newcastle at the Dell in about 94 ranks considerably higher.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:40 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Blairs the best thing this country has ever seen. - as voted for by the public 3 times!

feck off, not by this member of the public he's not...

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:49 pm

If it stops the little bastards who congregate outside my bedroom once every couple of weeks to break glass on my path and write grafiti on my house I'm in favour of it.

Either that or they should pass a law that I'm allowed to defend my home with a paintball gun, which would be better and more fun.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:30 pm

Legion wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Blairs the best thing this country has ever seen. - as voted for by the public 3 times!
feck off, not by this member of the public he's not...

thats cool - welcome to democracy!

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:09 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Blairs the best thing this country has ever seen. - as voted for by the public 3 times!

just... not the majority of them.

and not as the best thing ever.

so in fact your statement could read "Tony Blair considered most viable out of a group of tossers by some people.".

yay.

Blair is a lying muderering sack of s*** IMO.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:55 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Legion wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Blairs the best thing this country has ever seen. - as voted for by the public 3 times!
feck off, not by this member of the public he's not...
thats cool - welcome to democracy!

it sucks!

when i get to power, thing's be different...

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:13 pm

Metal Vendetta wrote:Either that or they should pass a law that I'm allowed to defend my home with a paintball gun, which would be better and more fun.

Scratch the paintball bit, perhaps.

Life would instantly get slightly more dangerous (after all, brickwork isn't very durable in much of this country) but the right to use force in defence of home and hearth is deserved.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:01 pm

I think we should be allowed to enforce Guardian Angel NYC style protection!

Post by **Best First** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:53 am

Metal Vendetta wrote:If it stops the little bastards who congregate outside my bedroom once every couple of weeks to break glass on my path and write grafiti on my house I'm in favour of it.

Damnit Ob.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:55 am

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