What The BLEEP Do We Know?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:40 pm

Fascinating movie. Highly recommended, even if you're already familiar with quantum mechanics.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:41 pm

sounds cool - whats it about?

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:46 pm

Good premise, shame it had to go off and wrap itself up in new age mysticism (the producers include 'psychics' and various other non-too academic entities).

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:02 pm

Impactor: The movie is about a lot of things, but basically it uses quantum theory as a starting point and then extrapolates it to make the point that since reality and existance are only tendancies and probabilities, you can affect your own reality by your conscious thought.
Perhaps Karl could explain it better.

Karl: I don't know, when they showed the peoples' credentials at the end, virtually all of them had graduate degrees if not higher, and most of them were currently teaching on some level. Granted, there was the ONE girl who, according to her credentials, was simply channeling someone else.

But she was hillarious, so I can't fault her for that.

Personally, the idea that "hands manifest thought" is something I've always believed in. The idea that nothing is out of my grasp if I'm focused and determined enough.
Then again, at the end of the movie, I was like, "This sounds an awful lot like 'Do not try to bend the spoon. Only try to comprehend the truth that there is no spoon.'"

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:03 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Granted, there was the ONE girl who, according to her credentials, was simply channeling someone else.

Okay, I'm going to start doing that. That sounds handy as hell.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:05 pm

Shanti418 wrote:Impactor: The movie is about a lot of things, but basically it uses quantum theory as a starting point and then extrapolates it to make the point that since reality and existance are only tendancies and probabilities, you can affect your own reality by your conscious thought.
Perhaps Karl could explain it better.

Karl: I don't know, when they showed the peoples' credentials at the end, virtually all of them had graduate degrees if not higher, and most of them were currently teaching on some level. Granted, there was the ONE girl who, according to her credentials, was simply channeling someone else. But she was hillarious, so I can't fault her for that.

Personally, the idea that "hands manifest thought" is something I've always believed in. The idea that nothing is out of my grasp if I'm focused and determined enough.
Then again, at the end of the movie, I was like, "This sounds an awful lot like 'Do not try to bend the spoon. Only try to comprehend the truth that there is no spoon.'"

I don't doubt there were people of credit in it. Generally however they had little to say about the new age elements of it, and were AFAIK editted to make allow all the hippy psychic stuff to be included o.o

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:10 pm

Shanti418 wrote: Then again, at the end of the movie, I was like, "This sounds an awful lot like 'Do not try to bend the spoon. Only try to comprehend the truth that there is no spoon.'"

Matrix, eh? Hmm.

Based on this,

The movie is about a lot of things, but basically it uses quantum theory as a starting point and then extrapolates it to make the point that since reality and existance are only tendancies and probabilities, you can affect your own reality by your conscious thought.

I would've thought they were more in-line with Star Trek: TNG's The Traveller.

Still, it does sound like an interesting starting point that was extrapolated into a bit of New Age tosh, and credentials mean nothing when it comes to tosh.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:11 pm

heh heh the file server at college which stores all the religious studies data is named 'tosh'

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:heh heh the file server at college which stores all the religious studies data is named 'tosh'

Most.Apt.Server.Name.Ever!

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:32 pm

Shanti418 wrote:there is no spoon.

There is - I used it to eat jelly this morning.
I'm going to have to see this movie 'cos I like that 'head-clever' stuff.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:23 pm

Yeah, I really urge everyone to check it out. I guarentee you at the very least, you'll be entertained for a couple hours.

IMHO, the only reason the movie went into new age mysticism and "hippie psychic stuff" is because that's where the information led them. And this information is from respected academians. People who are saying that mathematics and science is basically proving certain "mystic" things such as alternate reality layters and remote viewing, etc.

I mean, I think you could certainly say parts of it deal in "new age mysticism", but I don't think that label should be used as a dirty word or in a derogatory light. NOT saying anyone here is doing this.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:37 pm

I'm doing it. Good luck to people who believe/practice it but don't try and pass it off as reasoned science.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:21 am

Karl Lynch wrote:I'm doing it. Good luck to people who believe/practice it but don't try and pass it off as reasoned science.

While that sounds neither derogatory not dirty, your dissent is duly noted.

I think there's a big difference between "new age" people trying to use science to prove their theories (which sounds like what you don't like) and scientists finding out their theories have corollaries in "new age" lines of thought (which is what I think the movie is about)

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:10 pm

You mean someone theorises some hippy-dippy idea which everyone doubts, but is then proven by science to be true or at least reasonable?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:25 pm

Kind of. Science and quantum theory are beginning to discuss and/or describe certain phenomenon and certain aspects of metaphysics mathematically, whereas prior, said phenomenon were deemed more mystical and without basis in our scientific universe.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:27 pm

Hmm, I've heard something like this before.

Talk of Gods of Light and Rain driving chariots across the sky? Turns out it was just precipitation and the rotation of the Earth.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:53 pm

rain and motion - im hearing ya

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:27 pm

Wet and windy. Me at the pub.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:50 pm

Are there known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns?

I know, I know. Who knows?

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:05 pm

I know, no?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:36 pm

No.

Or maybe Yes.

Only you know for sure.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 8:48 pm

What the BLEEP do I know?

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:29 am

I'd quite like to see this, but I'm pissed off they called it What the BLEEP do we know?. What's wrong with [composite word including 'f*ck']? Apart from the fact that this board auto-censors it, of course. BLEEP just sounds naff.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:16 am

But only Smarties have the answer

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:59 pm

BLEEP is totally naff

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:26 pm

It's official. I can no longer understand what Shanti is saying.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:52 pm

It's all these damn Brits. They're infecting my vernacular at an alarming rate! Naff! Pants! Wanker! Bollocks! Ta!

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:53 pm

Ta.

Er... egg?

You're just being assimilated, that's all. Resistance is futile...

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:01 pm

At least I'll always have my backwards American pronunciation, like adverTISEment, instead of adVERTISment.

And color doesn't have a u, just like favorite.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:04 pm

Just wait until you start replacing the majority of your "z"s with "s"s... ...apparently.