Stem Cell/Abortion question

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:32 pm

sucidie is illegal over there?

I done this psycholagy class, they made 'un-illegal' over here because the last thing ppl need whilst trying to kill themselves is to be arrested.
Over here you get taken to hospital.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:39 pm

Still, if you're successful in your attempt then you don't need to worry about the law.
Please don't anyone go trying that, of course.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:41 pm

Autobloke wrote:Please don't anyone go trying that, of course.

*Considers starting meaningless petition to alter Transfans slogan of "Anything else would be illogical" to "For the love of Karl, PLEASE don't try this at home!"*

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:42 pm

I just don't want to get the blame.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:48 pm

Autobloke wrote:I just don't want to get the blame.

I wouldn't worry about it too much really. Were you to post something like, "Hey, you, yeah the guy/girl in [insert state, province, and/or city here] sitting doing nothing with your life, go [insert means of self-inflicted death here]." and they did it, well, there's some serious mental illness in there.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:01 pm

Suicide's illegal in the States as well. Think about that for a second. According to the law, you're better off being so miserable that you can't stand to live anymore than to die. Think about that and you'll be able to understand where some of these pro-life anti-stem cell people are coming from.

Am I the only one that thinks that human life isn't all that important?

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:18 pm

Which human are we talking about?

Just kidding.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:19 pm

"You're not a human being...

...until you're in my phone book"

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:22 pm

PS - No I think Human life is important, but I dont think your really human till you leave the womb and you start living.

your just a blank slate inside.

Metal Vendetta · Post by **Metal Vendetta** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:30 pm

Abortion is unpleasant but often necessary. I'd rather see quailty over quantity of life. I don't really know enough about stem cells to make the call on that but if it's working then I think it should be investigated.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:01 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:PS - No I think Human life is important

out of curiosity... why?

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:30 pm

on a broard scale theres a chance the next human life is Einstien or Motzart Gandi or somthing, the ndividuals help shape how we see ourselves and humanity as a whole.

On a smaller scale its harder to see ourselves as nothing but parasites living off the earth.

Its hard to answer that without being emotional.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:18 pm

Human life is important to other humans because we're all scared of our own mortality and the mortality of those close to us.

Still though, we can feel sorry for losses of life (a mother and her four year old daughter were shot to death in their homes by the daughter's father last night), or we can gloss them over and think over them as "necessary costs" (18 Iraqis were killed in heavy bombing last night).

IMO, I think there's an outside chance self conscious intelligence is an evolutionary anomaly and/or mistake.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:46 pm

Considering that every single human being that has ever lived, is alive now, and will ever be alive will all eventually die, I fail to see any evidence that individual people are important.

Nebbie · Post by **Nebbie** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:05 pm

I would like to think that human life is important and that we're here for a purpose. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:09 pm

Nebbie wrote:I would like to think that human life is important and that we're here for a purpose. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

I'd have to say it's some wishful thinking. No offense.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:10 pm

If nothing more, so as I don't attempt to speak for all people and imply the way they should think, my life is important to me. I'm having fun here. My wife's life, and the life of my son, **** the lives of all my friends and family in my little slice of Texas (as well as Mexico now) and online (*sniff* you guys are the best) are important and matter to me. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with caring for someone, even if it's no other than yourself?

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:13 pm

Señior's Covenant wrote:If nothing more, so as I don't attempt to speak for all people and imply the way they should think, my life is important to me. I'm having fun here. My wife's life, and the life of my son, **** the lives of all my friends and family in my little slice of Texas (as well as Mexico now) and online (*sniff* you guys are the best) are important and matter to me. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with caring for someone, even if it's no other than yourself?

Well, for one thing, it can leave you vulnerable. Those people will eventually hurt you or be hurt themselves (which will hurt you as you care about them.)

Aside from that, nothing's wrong with caring for people. The problem comes in when some of the "people" you care for are theoretically alive blobs of cells in someone-else' body.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:19 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:Well, for one thing, it can leave you vulnerable. Those people will eventually hurt you or be hurt themselves (which will hurt you as you care about them.)

Eh, I don't mind being vulnerable to some. **** happens. I deal with it.

Speaking of ****, I gotta start sneaking out of the office now if I'm going to bail five minutes early (it so helps on traffic it's unbelievable).

Hasta luego!

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:20 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:blobs of cells in someone-else' body.

Not even in the body - as most (or all) of the fertilisation takes place in a lab. Aren't they terminated after 19 days or something?