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Post by Kaylee » Fri May 20, 2005 9:09 pm

Predabot wrote:Hey, does anyone want me to post the supposedly "leaked" partial specs of the Revolution? And the fake commercial, who I have no idea who made, but is really, really cool?
Yeah, if you could just pop them in the post that would be good.

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Post by Predabot » Fri May 20, 2005 11:12 pm

Ok...I'll take that as 'post on dude'.. :lurk:

Everybody remember that this information is probably without the shadow of a doubt bogus. As they are from a very unreliable source, wich of course can't be verified since it's anonymous, and seem to go somewhat against what Nintendo themselves have hinted about.

I got it from this place:http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=view ... ws&ID=6707

Who got it from this place: http://warp2search.net/modules.php?name ... &sid=23404

"The Chinese website Unika.com have what they claim are the Spec's for Nintendo's next-gen Revolution! Here's a quick translation by Google."

# CPU: IBM G5 Custom x 4 2.5GHz cores, level 1 cache 128KB, a level 2 cache 512KB share

# GPU: RN520 x 2core 16MB eDRAM, PC R520 AMR technology supports 720p and 1080i.
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Post by Jetfire » Fri May 20, 2005 11:46 pm

How reliable is that website?

I find it unlikely that it beat a lot of the big ones to this news.
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Post by Predabot » Sat May 21, 2005 9:55 am

Unika.com is a chinese fan-site.....

There is no credibility whatsoever. It remains a mystery where this info is from. Most of us have simply written it off as attention-seeking by Unika.com.

Interestingly, if you go to simply unika.com, you end up on a french site that appears to be selling PC-components. But if you go to: http://www.unika.com.cn/

You end up at a chinese site that looks like it may be right. For everyone that can chinese, have a look if you like. Horribly annoying ads tho. They scroll along the page...

Interestingly I found some more of that info on a swedish site, supposedly there's to be separate processors for sound and fysics-effects (PPU)
The graphics-chips uses ATi's SLI-technology, utilising 16mb eDram. The console itself uses a 512mb system-memory who will be used by both the GPU's & CPU's. With this hard-ware the console will support the HDTV-resolutions 720p och 1080i.

Essentially the same info as in my old post, but less super-compressed and understandable.

Here's that 'concept'-video. Apparently from something called nintendo-on.
http://onefed.com/media/NintendoON.wmv

Lord bless the swedes, :) swedish site SweGamers has some of the pictures that Unika apparently have 'leaked'.
http://swegamers.se/includes/popupbilde ... 09&start=0

About the controller there...I..have no idea what I'm looking at, or how it's supposed to work with that few buttons. Interesting design, :) looks about as thin as the box they showed at E3, too bad that this is so unreliable stuff.

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Post by Jetfire » Sat May 21, 2005 11:01 am

Sounds like it's been made up. It might be a good guess but still made up.
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sat May 21, 2005 11:05 pm

Karl speaks the bloody obvious truth
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Post by Predabot » Sat May 21, 2005 11:08 pm

OK, now I get the joke..

Uh..

haha.

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Post by Jetfire » Sun May 22, 2005 12:47 am

Predabot wrote:OK, now I get the joke..

Uh..

haha.
*Stops watch*

Hmmm a new record this time.
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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Sun May 22, 2005 12:51 am

nintys new machine doesnt exist,

understand?

they cant affors to make a PS3, understand?

right now you have made you brain understand, get this.

all Ninty has is its IP, you understand that? or are you stupid?

so, new machine + IP is what Ninty is

Ninty doesnt have a machine better then the PS3, so they have IP, the IP is boring now, so end off

stop being stupid. the world knows it.
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Post by Shanti418 » Sun May 22, 2005 9:21 am

Yeah, their IP is so boring and crappy you don't even use it as your avatar.

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Post by Obfleur » Sun May 22, 2005 10:25 am

What does IP stand for?

(please, no bad jokes about internet protocoll :p)
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Post by Shanti418 » Sun May 22, 2005 7:12 pm

Intellectual Property. A idea or character, singular or plural, ranging from Mario to those toys that transform from robots into other things.

So what Impy is saying is that all Nintendo has is their Marios, Zeldas, Samuses, etc., and that aside from that they are complete and utter pants.

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Post by Kaylee » Sun May 22, 2005 8:00 pm

Nintendo are also apparently going to be the last to launch their console. It wasn't even ready for (physical) preview at E3 so the general analysis is we'll see it in the later half of 2006. Long after MS and Sony have slugged it out for a while.

I dont believe their strangle-hold on handhelds will last. They've, again, refused to push the state of the art imo. The last big step forward was the GB Advance, which brought a new level of power to handhelds.

That was over 4 years ago now?

Since then we've had the Advance AS (the same thing, in a different package), a million versions of that in different colours (sort of like Dreamwave with their covers) and then they put a touchscreen onto the bottom and made the DS, which whilst being innovative in terms of input device doesn't really add anything new to the game in terms of power, quality or depth imo.

Having played the DS, the touchscreen really doesn't seem to do much except offer an alternative to scrolling menus with the D button.

Meanwhile, since Nintendo have sat on their rearends effectively for 4 years blissfully enjoying their gameboy empire, Sony have come along; made leaps forward in power, design and game complexity and now have a system that thrashes the DS on every measurable quantity and produces a level of game quality that I personally think is staggeringly good.

I appreciate retro-style games are fun, just like those little games that run off watch batteries can be entertaining and cheap, but if I'm going to go out and buy a console/handheld I'd rather pay more and get something which was really worth having. But then I consider myself an exceedingly casual gamer, hence why the idea of buying a whole console just to relive some of the NES 'classics' from '89 is a no-brainer ;)

Of course I'm sure Nintendo are aware of this and are probably coming up with some strategy for backing out of the big console battle and just letting Sony and MS duke it out for a while whilst they produce a far more limited number of revolutions/DS' which sell on a feature or repackaging old victories rather than performance or (worthwhile) innovation.

Since they produce consoles with far less power, I would assume their markup is higher despite kicking the systems out at a (relatively) low price. Hence they don't need to conquer the world with them to stay afloat. Sell some on a gimmick and make money rather than having to sell lots on performance to make money.

Still don't understand why they wouldn't make even more profit licencing out their titles to others and just making software, rather than insisting it only run on their own hardware.

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Post by Hound » Sun May 22, 2005 10:06 pm

I hate the idea that the best games are all down to cutting edge technology

I am still addicted to Tetris, and the most fun I have had with a video game in years are the various Wario Wares. Not pushing any feat of technology.

I think awesome graphics have their place, but not if they are wasted on crap GTA clones, yearly sports updates, generics FPS's and chavvy racing games.
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Post by Best First » Sun May 22, 2005 10:11 pm

Hurrah! :)

Currently massively enjoying asteroids on my mobile phone...

naturally i got my best score ever last night when hammered.
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Post by Kaylee » Sun May 22, 2005 11:12 pm

Hound wrote:I hate the idea that the best games are all down to cutting edge technology
That isn't what I said.

I'm of the conviction that if you want something new you need new specifications to do it.

Tetris is great. So's asteroids. Thing is I don't want just that level of game for the rest of my life.

We've had just about every variety of great game you can do with 2D, arcade, platform games and sidescrollers. That's why when newer powers came along along for 3D environments, that was taken up and new types of great game were produced like Final Fantasy VII.

Then that got more realistic, and GTA Vice City was born.

Now consoles will move forward again, and another generation of great games will be born taking advantage of even greater facilities.

The power of a system will not necessarily make a great game, that wasn't the thrust of my opinion. Newer generations of consoles bring something new to the mix to make new games which one day people may look back on with nostalgia and consider wonderful.

Adopting and encouraging the development of new technologies for gaming makes the options and scope of video games greater imo. If one were to set one's self in a rut of only using the same system (like the DS) then you're not really advancing the state of play and there is only so much you can do with something before it starts looking like your just treading the same ground again (as you observe with the endless racing games and FPS'ers)..

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Mon May 23, 2005 10:51 am

with power comes great responsibility...err

We cant keep playing SNES games. we have to move forward, to the edge of video games, we do strive for the day where we can achive almost photo-realism, because with that comes emotion.

Nintendos ocrina of time, was only possible due to better graphics, the two main things in a video game, graphics and gameplay are linked together.

I cant wait for the day when I can watch Links face cheer in wonder or cry at the death of Epona. and really honestly feel and belive him.
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Post by Kaylee » Mon May 23, 2005 10:56 am

I wish Sony would make a Final Fantasy VII redux for the PS3 :(

I'd sell my own grandmother for that...

...anyone want to buy? Six shillings?

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Post by Legion » Mon May 23, 2005 11:07 am

Karl Lynch wrote:I wish Sony would make a Final Fantasy VII redux for the PS3 :(
Me too, after having seen that tech demo i was heart broken! :(

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Mon May 23, 2005 11:16 am

yes the flower girl was indeed cool - but seriously, the best 'DEMO' and use the term very loosely had to be motorcross and deff Killzone 2. I seriously doubt KZ2 was real time, if it was, then great... oh i wish it was, that rocked.
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Post by snarl » Mon May 23, 2005 1:18 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:with power comes great responsibility...err
This is true, I very rarely use my power to hypnotise women...
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Post by Shanti418 » Mon May 23, 2005 7:00 pm

For me, speaking as someone who's played video games all my life, I've definetly felt a ceiling coming up.

That is to say, yes, the graphics are getting more and more photo realistic, yes the processing speed is off the charts and crazy, but that's also what they said about the PS2 and XBox. And even thouggh that's true for those two machines, you're still pressing A to throw the ball, or collecting items and jumping around, or pressing differnt buttons to do combos of cool special moves. In other words, even though the package is shinier, the meat of the experince, the gamplay, still remains very similar, and has thus far only improved in a linear function, as opposed to processing power's exponential growth.

There needs to be something more visceral than pressing buttons. Things like vibration controllers, DDR, EyeToy, and the DS are hinting at what's going to be big, I think.

That's why I think Revolution could still have an ace up it sleeve. If it can provide a totally new experince, or a new way to play video games, people will buy it because it's got a monopoly on that kind of innovation. Not to mention that their price point will be so much lower.

I think there's absolutely no reason to think now, as games become more and more popular and lucrative, that the market can't continue or even improve upon its support of three consoles.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Mon May 23, 2005 7:56 pm

I understand what your saying but unless it somthing that we havent seen yet, and I doubt that. then its going to have to be special considering the Rev is going to be underpowered.

the only next thing we havent seen in the home is VR and 'mixed relaity', which i belive is the future of everything but more of that later...
the only other thing u can change is the input option, DS is just a mouse, so were left with what? cyber gloves? voice recorgnition.
none of its essentially new, but all of it requires power.
Whatever ninty has planned the other machines can do, and with more power display better.

untill I see what they have planned, im highly scepticle about thier future, downloading old games isnt going to be anything cool against the photo-realism of the next gen machines.

The next big thing in computing is 'physics' - hence why custom physics chips for PC are on the way, more power in the 360, and PS3 allows them to create more complex 'interactive' and essentially better fun.
you might not think thats entirelly true, but it is in many many ways.
Mario 64 required the step to 3D, as did Zelda, true emotion, and heart stopping moments are just around the corner.
Nintys being left behind, purely in money terms, gimmicks are great, but not the future.
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Post by Shanti418 » Mon May 23, 2005 10:33 pm

I understand what you're saying as well. Make no mistake: they've done nothing so far to impress me, and all this is speculation.

I DO think, however, that Nintendo has possibly sniffed out the right scent in terms of marketing and advertising and technology in the face of two monolithic corporations that it can't hope to battle against.

Whether or not they follow their nose, or the right course of action, however, remains to be seen.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Mon May 23, 2005 10:48 pm

I think you hit the nail on the head thier, they know they cannot compete or even afford to compete with these two huge companys on a direct basis.
So they need an angle to come in with and to that thier existing IP and then they might have a market share.

Id love to see ninty rule the waves again like the Snes days, i really would, I think its gonna be hard for them now tho...
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Post by Shanti418 » Tue May 24, 2005 5:01 am

Agreed.

But for the N64 and GC, I believe they lost their respective console wars for the most obvious and most simple reason: lack of third party support. Those were perfectly capable and/or superior machines, and they didn't have any games aside from Nintendo/Rare. Sure, they'll have their occasional Capcom or Square snag, but they're not all across the board.

Here are two VERY interesting and illuminating articles I urge you to read if you're following this thread.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20 ... 26354.html

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20 ... 26197.html

On a slightly different note, it seems the DS way outclassed the PSP in terms of software during this E3.

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Post by Kaylee » Tue May 24, 2005 7:48 am

There do seem very few titles for PSP. I'm sure that'll change as time goes on tho.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Tue May 24, 2005 9:41 am

the problem with DS titles is they are mostly fun pick up and put down games.

the PSP games are essentially PS2 games, ive seen a huge list of PSP games that are pretty much all PS2 games converted for handheld usage.
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Post by Kaylee » Tue May 24, 2005 11:32 am

I still want to see the Transformers game ported to PSP ^_^

I won't buy one... I just want to see it... >.>

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Post by Hound » Tue May 24, 2005 6:48 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:I still want to see the Transformers game ported to PSP ^_^

I won't buy one... I just want to see it... >.>
I read an article on PSP , the designers are creating a sequel and want to do a PSP version too.. I think that would work really well, especially if they put in a wireless vs mode :)

As for the DS games being pick up and play. Very very true. Yet to see anything with real substance to it, yet its incredibly popular. I think pick and play is perfect marketing pitch for the machine.

I love my psp, but the only things on it that interest me at the moment are racing games, but god does it do them well!
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