Nintendo Revolution

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:46 am

yes, ninty can't trade on their past forever...

...sadly with crap like Starfox coming out it seems they don't have a lot of present to rely on.

I have no issue with teh perpetuation of Zalda and Mario but they need some decent new **** as well.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 11:05 am

having just seen an $430 price point for the PS3 perhaps Nintys machine will hopefully be ALOT less.

Still like you say, where is the new IP? the golden age of ninty where each chracter they created went onto become an Icon, wheres the new Mario,Zelda,Samus?

I guess they have tried in recent years, I dont count Yoshi and wario, they are extensions of another IP, but Pikmin and of course Pokemon have had different degree of success... they never really got the best out of Pokemon IMO, where was the full 3D world adventure? all they made was card battler games on a console... boring...

so you have

Mario - the action
Zelda - the Adventure
StarFox - the Shooter
Metroid - the sci-fi / FPS

I can see how they cover thier bases, but a few more could be created.
They need some maturity, I even thought, what if Nintendo produced this old range, and a new range of titles, like a Nintendo 18 rated range, so they could explore more avenues, Zombie killing, fighting etc...

And I hope we ge to see an online world sometime soon.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed May 18, 2005 11:43 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:having just seen an $430 price point for the PS3 perhaps Nintys machine will hopefully be ALOT less.

540$.
Did you just read that? I'll type it again.
540$

Thats what you had to pay for the Ps2 when it was released in Sweden... if you had the intelligence to locate the stores who sold it at that price.
The 'mainstream' stores sold it for 607$.
And I am using the current exchange rate (back in the days the dollar was worth alot more).

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:19 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: so you have

Mario - the action
Zelda - the Adventure
StarFox - the Shooter
Metroid - the sci-fi / FPS

I can see how they cover thier bases, but a few more could be created.

i think the other things is that familairity that was once quite welcome has now become quite dull, for example when Ridley turnd up atthe start of Metroid Prime i just thought ' i knew that was going to happen', which put me off quite a bit.

Equally i think we have seen a problem with games such as Mario Kart and Starfox where Ninty actual seem to have real trouble determining where the core strenths lie, so we get a series of sequels that are repeatedly inferior to their predecessors, with the exception of Starfox 64.

In general Ninty seem to forget sometimes the high standards they have setthemselves - whilst their games may still be leaps and bounds ahead of most other companies in the field (for example Matio Sunshine) in terms of the Nintendo context they can still feel like a bit (or a lot in some sad cases) of a let down.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 4:30 pm

OB I said $430, not $530?

-BF

Yes I agree, where as Mario 64 felt like an amazing natrual progression, Sunshine, whilst generally cool, didnt excite in the same way.
Again, Ocrina of Time was what we expected after Link to the past, yet WInd Walker, graphics aside if you like them or not, was good yet more of the same?

Its funny, where as the SNES games were the end of 2D, the N64 gave us the game is stark contrast, ala 3D, all of a sudden the GC felt flat, perhaps because all the GC gave us was essentially slightly better graphics and more refined controll.
in the end I was left thinking, if the N64 had a DVD bolted on I could play of these games albeit in a lower ress. hardley anything to get genuinly excited about.

What I would like to see is this, the following ideas are copyright my brain.

Mario World - been here before havent we? no actually we havent, we been to mario 'levels' this time whats required is a mario WORLD, a land, online, huge, World of Warcraft sized, with dungeons, your mario levels, where you can team up and interact mario style to defeat the dungeon boss.
It would be a game of utter mario skill, im not sure what your overall goal is, perhaps just to do as many levels as possible?

the cool bit is you have a mario level editor, so Nintendoishly simple anyone can use it and submit thier dungeons to the game, online, for everyone to play (instances)

all of this worked into a wonderfull mario style hub world. perhaps you can throw in mario kart, and even PvP in the form of smash brothers.
Visit old arcades full of Nintendo classic games etc...

now you have a true Mario World, and IMO perfectly possible on the next gen of hardware, perhaps even now...

copyright my brain

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:13 pm

Yeah perhaps this is a bit of novelty, but if that translates into fun I'll be happy.

Donkey Kong:jungle beat is a novelty, a platformer where you use the bongos instead of a controller, its bizzare but I have had 10 times more fun playing that than playing Halo 2.

I think the backwards compatability with previous consoles will help Nintendo exist more on their own terms than ever before. I imagine if they charge for downloading games, then it will be pretty damn profitable for them.

Also, Microsoft have pretty much said they would like to see the price of next gen games raised, seeing as Revolution isnt as powerful, and doesnt now use exclusive media to put the games onto, i would imagine development costs are lower, and as a consequence, so will the price of games.

All pretty much speculation of course.

I do admit, I wish Nintendo would create some new franchises. I would hate for the day when I dont get excited by a new mario, zelda or metroid game

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:19 pm

My god...that was brilliant! That's exactly what we need!! It would be a joint effort by Nintendo & Square/Enix, just like Super Mario Rpg, and what you mentioned was the real stuff! You'd perhaps have some story campaigns in this? I'm not certain how quests and stuff works in WoW.

It would be sweet if Culex, who's seen in SMRPG is the villain of the piece, in a sorta Smash Bros way. As in the SMB Melee the dimension-warping master-hands power has been absorbed by Bowser and turned him into Giga-Bowser, and you gotta save your game-world from becoming mashed into the real or something.

On the last quest-world you warp into a super-realistic place. Mario and his palls all look like they would if the existed in our world, except this is of course a FF-like dimension. And then you duke it out with Culex. The ending to this piece? Who knows, maybe Mario realises he's not real, but instead of being depressed about it, he's glad. Giga-Bowser should perhaps be worked into the plot..hmm...

BTW: Should I post the supposed 'leaked' tech spec for Revolution that some chinese site made lines with some time ago? Oh, and the fake video of the Revolution. Altough fake, it used the rumored concepts so well that it makes you think: "f*ckin' hell! This could be f*ckin' revolutionary!"

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:33 pm

remember the 'Mario World' is just an enviroment with all of Nintnedos IP's combined into one... what you do with the world, and hopefully the creative aspect is what would make it.

so far from what we have heard the games are free to download, which is fair as some of them are over 15 years old.

I like the donkey Kong game, its the kind of thing that keeps me smiling, yet its only ever a diversion from the real meat of the games industry if you know what I mean.
Its like watching Clone wars cartoon, its great, But I want to watch Episode 3...

what Im hoping is that the controller or somthing else about the Rev is really going to give me a new angle on game play, I havet heard or seen anything yet which is making me go 'WOW' - the thing I most laughed at was PS3 eye toy thing with the cups, that was freaking clever, and required the power of a cell chip, nintendo have already stated tier machine isnt gonna be anywhere near the power of that. so I see thier options as limited.

IMO, they need to break into the online market correctly,
They need new characters
and part of them needs to grow up as to expan thier culture to more.

I have alot of faith in Nintendo, in thier purity of games, yet at the same time I now feel they are slightly stuck in the past.
heh, you know what they need right now, a link to the past...

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:38 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
what Im hoping is that the controller or somthing else about the Rev is really going to give me a new angle on game play, I havet heard or seen anything yet which is making me go 'WOW' - t

I agree. There are some great ideas, but retro gaming is not a 'revolution'.

I dont really see how the controller will affect things that much, apart from maybe havng the gyro sensor put in...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:42 pm

VR helmet with power gloves....

Yeah dream on.

But if they, they would win hands down!

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:44 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:VR helmet with power gloves....

Yeah dream on.

But if they, they would win hands down!

Im not sure i would like that :-s

Maybe they intend to have 'touch'input on the pads...its worked well for ds.

There must be 'something' special about them for Nintendo not to reveal them at the show...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:05 pm

like a controller you can make yourself... actually I hear that its a controller that allows you to make custom input displays, sort of like a DS screen yet you can just draw a button on the screen and use it... or somthing

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:08 pm

Best First wrote:yes, ninty can't trade on their past forever...

...sadly with crap like Starfox coming out it seems they don't have a lot of present to rely on.

I have no issue with teh perpetuation of Zalda and Mario but they need some decent new **** as well.

With retro games on the increae they might have a good idea. By not spening a billion or so on improving a console they can make one which exploits an area of the market that they have a better grip on than the other to. I recall the PS2 had to sell at least 6 games per machine to break even. If Nintendo don't invest huge amounts then they can rapidly make a profit. The Game cube did sell a similar amount to the X-box so they can't be that bad off.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
so you have

Mario - the action
Zelda - the Adventure
StarFox - the Shooter
Metroid - the sci-fi / FPS
.

Mario counts as a racer as well.

But i agreew itht eh sentiment that new characters are needed. A race that appeals to adults as well.

I suspect there will be new games

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:14 pm

I think that if the development costs are kept down, then the machine will attract the kind of 3rd party support it needs.

Iwata had a quote which I really liked 'Big idea can prevail over big budget' I would love to see this be true

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:18 pm

Jetfire wrote:
Best First wrote:yes, ninty can't trade on their past forever...

...sadly with crap like Starfox coming out it seems they don't have a lot of present to rely on.

I have no issue with teh perpetuation of Zalda and Mario but they need some decent new **** as well.
With retro games on the increae they might have a good idea. By not spening a billion or so on improving a console they can make one which exploits an area of the market that they have a better grip on than the other to. I recall the PS2 had to sell at least 6 games per machine to break even. If Nintendo don't invest huge amounts then they can rapidly make a profit. The Game cube did sell a similar amount to the X-box so they can't be that bad off.

Except as already observed you can already get them all for free on PC Nintendo emulators without buying a new box just to do specifically that... I'm afraid I'm in the 'its a gimmick rather than a mass appeal purchase strategy' camp also.

I'm afraid I associate the purchase of a console entirely for a bunch of 80's games as being a bit geeky- but that's not a bad thing. The bad thing is I would assume anyone with such an interest is probably technically saavy enough to have already exploited the emus and ROMS.

Even if the console only costs £100, that seems a heck of a lot to pay for something which most people's PC can do anyway. But then what do I know; why anybody in their right mind joins AOL is something I've still yet to grasp. o.O

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:45 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:

Except as already observed you can already get them all for free on PC Nintendo emulators

Even if the console only costs £100, that seems a heck of a lot to pay for something which most people's PC can do anyway. But then what do I know; why anybody in their right mind joins AOL is something I've still yet to grasp. o.O[/quote]

yes but as the ipod proved people are perfectly willing to pay to down load legally. Very few people in the mainstream actually downlaod games on their PC's. A numebr of people who ahve downlaoded onto their PC's would prefer to play it on their console.

mps players can still grab a load of music for free but more people still will buy an ipod and pay at Itunes or napster and keep expanding the market exponentially. There is a silly number of more people who pay to down load music rathet than grab it for free. As the console industry has not quite enbraced online gameing then downlaoding games is a market neiche Nintendo could claim first.

Post by **Kaylee** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:13 pm

Jetfire wrote:
yes but as the ipod proved people are perfectly willing to pay to down load legally. Very few people in the mainstream actually downlaod games on their PC's. A numebr of people who ahve downlaoded onto their PC's would prefer to play it on their console.

mps players can still grab a load of music for free but more people still will buy an ipod and pay at Itunes or napster and keep expanding the market exponentially. There is a silly number of more people who pay to down load music rathet than grab it for free. As the console industry has not quite enbraced online gameing then downlaoding games is a market neiche Nintendo could claim first.

I'm not entirely convinced that portable music is readily comparable to living room gaming, nor that the number of legal downloads of music is outnumbering the illegal downloads (that applies to all sorts of things to, tho I'd have thought the size of most software and video would prohibit that from becoming quite so common).

Besides, surely for the analogy to be accurate you'd have to only be able to download music from 1987 or earlier?

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:48 pm

I don't know if I've been out of the emulater loop for too long, but last time I gorged myself on those things, you're still extremely limited by the quality and availability. I'm willing to pay a small fee or whatever to get every single game bug free and emulated perfectly.

So is Nintendo saying "Third parties? We don't need no stinkin' Third parties."? Because unless they get the same amount of support that Sony and MS get, they're dead in water AGAIN, just like GC and N64.

Remember, this is all about the N64. 'Twas the N64 that blew away the processing and graphical power of the Playstation, but could not match the PS in terms of ease of programming or ease of replication. So Nintendo made the GC, an extremely user friendly system that was easy to program on. But that wasn't enough, so now they're going for the whole "unique, revolutionary" angle on top of the user friendliness.

I just don't know what their goals are. They may increase market share, but I can't see them catching the Big Two, which is something I feel they may have given up one.

Nevertheless, an inexpensive, fun to use system with lots of downloadable content, both classic and current, could definetly carve out a successful niche, in my opinion.

As we've all said though, we've seen nothing Revolutionary so far. And the more revolutionary the controller gets, the most everyone goes "How are you going to play NES, SNES, N64, and GC games on it?".

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed May 18, 2005 10:51 pm

Ive just been watching PS3 games again.

Ok 3 things

Unreal Tourne 07
Moto sport
Killzone 2

Right, now go watch them games and - the XBOX 360 doesnt look that good, not ad but not that good.
Ninty id be worried, its not just graphics go watch them games, understand the detail!!!! the sophistication of it all. my god!

I emulate and own everything any hows, I want somthing new.

Ninty move on, join MS or SONY or somthing.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:25 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:OB I said $430, not $530?

Yeah. I just got the feeling that you thought $430 was expensive - so I mentioned that the Ps2 had a price tag of $530 when it was released in Sweden.
This would bring you, or anyone else, to say "Holy crap, that's expensive like the dogs bollocks, egg!", then I could say something like "Yeah, please feel sorry for me

"
So I actually think that $430 is cheap.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Fri May 20, 2005 4:43 pm

Shanti418 wrote:

I just don't know what their goals are. They may increase market share, but I can't see them catching the Big Two, which is something I feel they may have given up one.

http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=8498

http://www.pcvsconsole.com/hank/answer.php?file=549

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertai...dia/2064660.stm

http://www.psreporter.com/playstation_2_sales.html

At least up until very recently Nintendo GC had sold as much as the X-box. thats was before the sales boosting price drop. Hardly a flop or a miminal market share.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Ninty move on, join MS or SONY or somthing.

Elsewhere the DS has been a mega seller and the PSP isn' quite as big as expected. Nintendo have had only 1 year ever they didn't make a profit and are roughly equal to Microsoft on the console market. They need to join nobody.
Good news considering their production costs are far less and they spend less on marketing and have dominated the handheld market since forever:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4081001.stm
http://news.com.com/Nintendo+DS+a+sales ... ws.1043.20

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20 ... 25206.html

"With Nintendo DS sales moving faster than anticipated, some locations have reported sellouts, and Nintendo predicts the initial North American supply will be depleted within days,"

http://www.bwflag.com/2005/04/sony_psp_sales_.html

"The PlayStation Portable (PSP) has been solid but not spectacular. We believe that the PSP launch, while not the blow-out event expected, will be considered successful as retailers continue to sell through existing inventory levels," McNealy said in a note.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Fri May 20, 2005 4:44 pm

Sounds to me like Nintendo is alive and kicking. Unless you consider the X-box to be a big flop.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri May 20, 2005 7:57 pm

Muahahaha! I love it Jetfire! I'm bathing in Nintendo-light!

{Checks swedish ninty-site.}

"2004-12-02
During Thanksgiving the north-american consumers bought more than 500 000 Nintendo DS, wich was more than 90% of all the Nintendo DS that were available in stores.

If the sales continue at this rate the Nintendo DS will soon be sold-out in all of North America. More Nintendo DS will be shipped, and within the year Nintendo expects to have sold more than 1 milion Nintendo DS in North America only. That's a feat wich took Apples iPod over 19 months to complete."
Ah, but young padawan, there is more, much more...

"2005-03-04
Nintendo Breakes sales record in Australia

After the first week of salesit was apparent that the Nintendo DS is the fastest selling console ever in Australia, and the sales are continuously good.

Nintendo Australia also report that Super Mario 64 DS och WarioWare: Touched! Are the best selling titles to the DS.
"We are really pleased with the success of Nintendo DS during the the launch-period. These are fantastic results." says Rose Lappin, sales- & market head of Nintendo Australia."

Globally Nintendo expects to have shipped approximately 6 million
Nintendo DS by the end of March."
I love all of you people down under, the thought of you makes my heart warm.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri May 20, 2005 8:16 pm

actually, if you look at what non biased ppl say.

the PSP isnt outselling the DS yet for one very good reason.
they cant build them fast enough!!! - thats why the european launch has been scrapped from this march to xmass

simple as that im afraid.

apart from DS, the point is ninty isnt competing on the big boys ground anymore, with rev not sheduald to even be seen untill next years E3 and essentially doing nothing more then the GC could in theory do with an add onn. they should move on and focus thier IP and money like Sega do.

its done wonders for Sega.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Fri May 20, 2005 8:38 pm

Thanx for the #'s, Jetfire, but I think that the idea that MS can come out of nowhere and sell as much or very near Nintendo THIS generation while taking a financial hit on each console sold means that MS will most likely overtake them for good this next cycle.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri May 20, 2005 8:43 pm

Jetfire wrote:
http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=8498

http://www.pcvsconsole.com/hank/answer.php?file=549

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertai...dia/2064660.stm

http://www.psreporter.com/playstation_2_sales.html

At least up until very recently Nintendo GC had sold as much as the X-box. thats was before the sales boosting price drop. Hardly a flop or a miminal market share.

XBox is selling at a loss and has overall cost MS a small fortune.

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:
Ninty move on, join MS or SONY or somthing.
Elsewhere the DS has been a mega seller and the PSP isn' quite as big as expected. Nintendo have had only 1 year ever they didn't make a profit and are roughly equal to Microsoft on the console market. They need to join nobody.

Problem is your statistics are comparing 6 months worth of DS sales to less than a month's worth of PSP sales, also considering the DS is on general release and the PSP is only currently available in Japan and the US.

Also some of your links are dead and others lead to message boards. I tried to get something solid, but Bloomberg just wanted to quote me shared and the Financial Times insisted I pay money

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Fri May 20, 2005 8:45 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:actually, if you look at what non biased ppl say.

the PSP isnt outselling the DS yet for one very good reason.
they cant build them fast enough!!! - thats why the european launch has been scrapped from this march to xmass

simple as that im afraid.
.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/technol ... psp_sales/

PSP sales 'solid, not spectacular'

Only 50 of 150 retailers surveyed by American Technology Research reported sell-outs of the PlayStation Portable in its first week. Analyst P. J. McNealy described the launch as "solid but not spectacular".

Of the 100 stores AmTech surveyed that were not sold out of PSPs, 15 reported having three units or less. Others reported higher levels, with some having as many as 100 in hand.

So it's clear. In the US people didn't buy the PSP because they didn't want to, NOT because there were none available.
The article also points out most of the stores who sold out of the PSP tended to have only 3 PSPs in each store anyway.

For europe they may not be building them fats enough but it still shows, surprisingly, people wanted a DS more than a PSP. DS had record Sales. PSPs sales are good but nothing special. I'm going to take that Nintendo are making more money than sony on handhelds at the moment.

apart from DS, the point is ninty isnt competing on the big boys ground anymore, with rev not sheduald to even be seen untill next years E3 and essentially doing nothing more then the GC could in theory do with an add onn. they should move on and focus thier IP and money like Sega do.

its done wonders for Sega.

[/QUOTE]

Why?TYou've no real reason except Sony and MS will have better graphics on their machines. Graphics and strength of a tech on a machine does not a great system make. Nintendo are still selling the same amount as Microsoft. So unless your saying Microsoft should pack it in as well there is no reason why Nintendo should not keep going.
So what if their machine isn't as powerful. Thats a poor arguement considering most people only acre about the quality of games comming out. A console monolopy would be terrbible too as the company could just charge what the heel they like and it would be bad for consumers who would have nothing betetr to go to. I recall Nintendo's price drop also pushed Sony and MS to lower their prices. Competition is good for the consumer. We should encourge Nintendo to keep going. They may be a modest success but they are a good infulence on the market by just being there.

As it happens its looks like nintendo revolution will provide something radically different to the average gamer. I knowm us hardcore types have download most SNES games on our PCs but the average joe has not and after how the IPOD has brought online music to the masses an dis making record companys much more money than the last few years, Revolution could do the same for gamers in a similar way especially as no other company is really heading this way in a big way at the moment.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Fri May 20, 2005 8:59 pm

As much as I love Nintendo, I dont think you can seriously suggest that they can compete with the big boys now.

They have clearly seen this too, which is why they seem to be aiming at different markets.

I think this is a good move, Nintendo will exist on their own terms more than ever, and I'm sure they will continue to be profitable and create critcially acclaimed games.

I think the ability to download old games is a very good move, as long as the charges are kept low, Shigs has said in his e3 interview that Nintendo want the service to be aimed at consumers, not so much in a business sense.

Sure you can get emulators, but dont forget they are technically illegal unless you own the original game. Having used a lot of emus myself I can wholeheartedly say its not as satisfying as playing on a proper console.

As for DS, its sold 5 million units worldwide so far, before any of the really good games have come out. This is despite being ugly and people knowing its underpowered compaired to the PSP. That is a success.

Fact is, now that there is a serious competitor, Nintendo will never dominate that market again, so anything that sells less than its competitor will be seen as a flop, which is a real shame. PSP will surely go on and sell more than DS, its got WOW factor.

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri May 20, 2005 9:04 pm

Jetfire wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:actually, if you look at what non biased ppl say.

the PSP isnt outselling the DS yet for one very good reason.
they cant build them fast enough!!! - thats why the european launch has been scrapped from this march to xmass

simple as that im afraid.
.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/technol ... psp_sales/
PSP sales 'solid, not spectacular'

Only 50 of 150 retailers surveyed by American Technology Research reported sell-outs of the PlayStation Portable in its first week. Analyst P. J. McNealy described the launch as "solid but not spectacular".

Of the 100 stores AmTech surveyed that were not sold out of PSPs, 15 reported having three units or less. Others reported higher levels, with some having as many as 100 in hand.
So it's clear. In the US people didn't buy the PSP because they didn't want to, NOT because there were none available.
The article also points out most of the stores who sold out of the PSP tended to have only 3 PSPs in each store anyway.

People in the US seemed to be buying a heck of a lot of PSPs, just not enough to constitute a sellout rush as far as I can read.

For europe they may not be building them fats enough but it still shows, surprisingly, people wanted a DS more than a PSP. DS had record Sales.

Record when compared to...?

PSP has been out for less than 2 months in the States and the figures you are quoting are a month out of date. You are comparing the DS, which has been out worldwide since before December AFAIK, to sales of the PSP over the last 8 weeks in the USA and Japan.

PSPs sales are good but nothing special. I'm going to take that Nintendo are making more money than sony on handhelds at the moment.

They probably are. Nintendo are currently selling AFAIK at least three different types of handheld with a vast back catalogue of games.

Sony are making more in the console market on the same principle I would have thought. The difference is Sony are trying to push the boundaries whereas Nintendo just seem hell bent on making gimmicks.

apart from DS, the point is ninty isnt competing on the big boys ground anymore, with rev not sheduald to even be seen untill next years E3 and essentially doing nothing more then the GC could in theory do with an add onn. they should move on and focus thier IP and money like Sega do.

its done wonders for Sega.

Why?TYou've no real reason except Sony and MS will have better graphics on their machines. Graphics and strength of a tech on a machine does not a great system make. Nintendo are still selling the same amount as Microsoft. So unless your saying Microsoft should pack it in as well there is no reason why Nintendo should not keep going.

Microsoft are innovating and building a base in a market from which they began competing from scratch. I don't see how that is applicable to Nintendo.

So what if their machine isn't as powerful. Thats a poor arguement considering most people only acre about the quality of games comming out.

Their machine isn't as powerful so for one thing is unlikely to be able to produce games as detailed and in-depth as those on its rivals. I for one like the idea of vast virtual worlds. They are something which are able to be created to a much higher degree of quality on a highpower system than on a low end one I should have thought.

A console monolopy would be terrbible too as the company could just charge what the heel they like and it would be bad for consumers who would have nothing betetr to go to. I recall Nintendo's price drop also pushed Sony and MS to lower their prices. Competition is good for the consumer. We should encourge Nintendo to keep going. They may be a modest success but they are a good infulence on the market by just being there.

imo the rivaly between Sony and Microsoft is going to determine where things go in the future console wars. I see no personal reason to egg on Nintendo, I'm neither a great fan of their games or their consoles. I'd rather something else came along and brought something fresh to it all.

As it happens its looks like nintendo revolution will provide something radically different to the average gamer. I knowm us hardcore types have download most SNES games on our PCs but the average joe has not

Again, I'm not sure about this. I would still plump for the analysis that most 'hard core' gamers who genuinely want the old school stuff have probably already got it.

and after how the IPOD has brought online music to the masses an dis making record companys much more money than the last few years,

And is also worried about being knocked into the corner pocket by multimedia phones

Again I'm not convinced one can carry the analogy of portable music downloads over to consoles. We'll see either way.

Revolution could do the same for gamers in a similar way especially as no other company is really heading this way in a big way at the moment.

Very few companies have the history of (now) simple and small games to be able to make available. It's hardly feasible for Sony to make PS1 games available for download, considering they're about 600meg a piece.

A niche it may well carve. It may also not. I wonder how far the fad of retro gaming will really carry a console brand? Especially against the sort of potential the other machines are kicking out.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri May 20, 2005 9:05 pm

Hey, does anyone want me to post the supposedly "leaked" partial specs of the Revolution? And the fake commercial, who I have no idea who made, but is really, really cool?