Nintendo Revolution

[Predabot]

On a related note, there's a huge amount of concern over the PS3.

Err, you do know that you have your very own topic for the competition, Karly?

http://transfans.tfarchive3.com/phpBB2/ ... hlight=ps3

I'd say that Sony is as good as completely unbeatable. The Playstation3 will sell no matter if it's over-priced non-superior to Xbox360 or late as all hell. And do you know why?

Mainly two things, that it's a Playstation.. all the gamers are horny as all heck for the brand, it has a tremendous selling-power the mere brand of it all. The other thing is that they are developing another Final Fantasy game for the PS3, and people will just buy and buy and buy the console in gooood time prior to release of the game, just so they can get at it the moment it's released.

Not that I personally like either brand or the game, just pointing it out.

Boo-urns to Nintendo!!!

All hate and no love makes Preds a sad boy.

New interfaces should have more to do with HCI research than they do with gadgets like the Ninty controller imo.

Uh... I have no idea whatsoever what that term means, but I'm not seeing anybody else than Nintendo doing anything new at all.

[Kaylee]

I don't like ressurecting old topics.

HCI = Human Computer Interaction, a branch of Psychology.

A Sad Pred = A happy Karly :3 Look at me dance! heehee! {dances}

And Sony are not Apple- they can't survive on a small, die hard fanbase [ignoring their only commercial world-beater the iPod]. A huge amount of their market comes from the Playstation being a platform with a vast number of games at an affordable price. If very few titles are lined up for PS3 and the console costs the earth, and most people have gone out and bought the competition already, they can look forward to that caving in. I'm sure some people would go out and buy PS3 if it cost $1000, but nobody in the business sector seems of the opinion there are enough of them to possibly bring Sony into profit on it (don't forget this console cost a king's ransom to develop and is made of some pricey components).

Sony really need to think about getting some big companies on board, other than Square (presumably, as they would walk over a cliff if Sony asked them) and how to possibly get the costs down. Then they just have to hope they can catch up the 360.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

i think its going to be alot closer between X360 and Sony this time round - E3 is going to have to be pretty special for them this year.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

this guy somes it up well.

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/fanboy.html

[Best First]

its a good article, but a lot of what he says can be equally applied to people spafing over the other systems.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Yeah i mean hes just having a jollie really - i love some of his captions tho!

[divebomb]

Its so soddin boring now, keeping it simple

Like xbox 360. Go buy one. Don't like xbox 360. Don't go buy one.

Like PS3/rev. Go buy one. Don't like PS3/rev. Don't go buy one.

However, I love the assumptions of people. Not one member of the public has played either one of the consoles. I know people who work at Ign etc have played, but they're not me.

I rember seeing the N64 controller for the first time and thinking how the hell am I gonna use that, but one session with mario 64 and it showed me.

At first I disliked my PS2 controller, the sticks were too soft etc, but now I love it as much as my GC controller.

Until I play these consoles I can't and won't say I love them.

I have had the privalage of playing a fair few games on the 360, and really I think they could have been on released for the original xbox, nothing special. I think by the time the others are released though, they should and will feel like next gen games.

Currently I am happy with my GC and PS2, and will be until I find something better.

[Best First]

Yeah i mean hes just having a jollie really - i love some of his captions tho!

agreed.

[Ultrasabre]

sounds like theyre still trying to make money based on their mario and zelda franchises. i dont know why they dont just give up and go into solely game development?

OMG what an ignorant remark.. allow me to educate u.. because umm.. they aren't losing money like sega was mayb??!.. Nintendo is making more money the they exptected..

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/700/700100p1.html

DS is rapin psp in sales...

so why would they pack up shop when everything is going good? have u noticed all the BIG 3rd party devs pledging support?

Nintendo is going tward the most important thing in games: gameplay.. gameplay is what makes video games so addictive NOT pretty graphics.. RE4 was one of the best games this current gen and was on par with anything Xbox had and the rev is supposed to be 3-4 times more powerful then cube so the visauals won't be a problem.. no it will not have HDTV support but then again how many people are actually gonnna exploit that with PS3 and Xbox 360?? not very many.. how many of u have HDTV's?? Nintendo is revolutionizing video games with innvative gameplay.. Sony and MS have a completely different approach and beleive super stunning visuals are what makes games more enjoyable and that is not what games are all about... sure the graphics on both of these systems will be AMAZING and no doubt they will have some very good games on them but I want to try a whole new expierience and that is what N is promising to deliver..


http://revolution.ign.com/articles/701/701171p1.html

"April 11, 2006 - Publisher Ubisoft today officially announced that it is in development with Red Steel, a first-person shooter designed exclusively for Nintendo's new generation console, codenamed Revolution. The game utilizes the unique functionality of the Revolution's free-hand style controller and challenges players to master a katana, as well as "modern firearms," as they slice, dice and shoot their way through modern-day Japan. Oh, did we mention Red Steel is a Revolution launch title?


"We're honored to announce this exciting new franchise and we're confident that Red Steel will be the must-have title for Revolution when it launches," said Serge Hascoet, chief creative officer at Ubisoft. "We have been working closely with Nintendo to take full advantage of the innovate controller to create a thrilling experience that can only exist on Revolution."

Ubisoft also revealed today that Red Steel will make its worldwide debut at the May 2006 Electronics Entertainment Expo in Los Angeles, where it is expected to be playable.

"Nintendo is excited to have Ubisoft bring Red Steel to the Revolution launch lineup," said Reggie Fils-Aime, executive vice president of sales and marketing for Nintendo of America. "Ubisoft makes some of the most innovative and critically acclaimed games in the industry and from what we have seen from Red Steel it is going to be a standout exclusive title on Revolution."

The company did not, unfortunately, release new game screens or videos to complement today's official announcement. However, more game details and media are anticipated in the coming weeks.


If you're interested in this game, be sure to add it to your wishlist. You can keep notes, rank games, get updates by email, and more."


that's just one great title. this isnt' including the next super smash bros (which is wifi out of fhe box) and what ever other 1st party titles N has in the works..

[Kaylee]

How about because the last three handheld consoles were virtually the same? The Gameboy Advance, the SP and the DS are almost identical in terms of hardware. Why not outsource your hardware production or, if your games are so fantastically playable, start making them for all consoles? Then you would have money coming in from your franchises from all systems, less the cost of producing the hardware they run on. More money is in theory what a business desires.

Nintendo aren't likely to lose their dominant position in the market anytime soon, so why not maximise that position while you have it? You'd still be taking money from the huge number of developers because you would own the rights to the console, even if it were manufactured differently, and would be taking all the money for the games- since an individual may buy only one console but might buy many games for that console. You'd still also be taking a cut from the console sale too. Sure it wouldn't be as much, but then you wouldn't have the costs of developing or producing it either.

If you believe adding a touchscreen or a gyromouse is a revolution in gameplay then you have very low expectations imo. You're not changing the gameplay, you're playing the same type of game with a different piece of hardware- replace a D-button with a touchscreen and you're still on the same game, performing the same actions, just with a different piece of hardware.

About the only genuine 'revolution' I've seen in gameplay is the EyeToy, and that has no pretentions to be anything other than what it is: a fun waste of time. It's about the only example I've seen of a genuinely new way of controlling your system and allowed for an entirely new style of game. Changing your pointing device isn't really what I'd call a revolution. It could be called innovative but not a revolution.

I entirely agree making your system more powerful does not directly lead to new types of game in a stagnanet market- but the more powerful the system, the more options and leeway developers are likely to have in using their imaginations on it. There is only so much you can do with limited hardware- expanding your hardware won't necessarily guarantee new styles of game but it's certainly helpful. Of course that could be offset by higher development costs pushing developers to more standard 'proven' formats to guarantee return, but we'll see.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

OMG what an ignorant remark.. allow me to educate u.. because umm.. they aren't losing money like sega was mayb??!.. Nintendo is making more money the they exptected..

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/700/700100p1.html

DS is rapin psp in sales...

Perhaps Karl was refering to giving up on the home console market, Ninty is always strong in the Handheld market. - dont compare the two.

so why would they pack up shop when everything is going good? have u noticed all the BIG 3rd party devs pledging support?

What on earth does this mean exactly - so does Sont and MS - whats your point?
GC had lots of support, didnt make much difference.
I like this next bit.

Nintendo is going tward the most important thing in games: gameplay.. gameplay is what makes video games so addictive NOT pretty graphics..

Karl i hope your taking notes here.

anyhows, its all about gameplay Karl, not visuals...but hold on...whats this?

RE4 was one of the best games this current gen and was on par with anything Xbox had

Not to mention the PS2 (because its on that to!)

and the rev is supposed to be 3-4 times more powerful then cube so the visauals won't be a problem..

Hold you just said visuals didnt matter so why bring them up again?

no it will not have HDTV support but then again how many people are actually gonnna exploit that with PS3 and Xbox 360?? not very many..

All of them actually, the ress is just not visable on normal TV, all games are at 720p - do some homework.

how many of u have HDTV's??

Well considering the USA transmits in HD and the BBC and sky sports are about to transmit the World Cup in HD, id say enough - if the major TV companies are going transmit, theres enough. thats logical.

Nintendo is revolutionizing video games with innvative gameplay.. Sony and MS have a completely different approach and beleive super stunning visuals are what makes games more enjoyable and that is not what games are all about... sure the graphics on both of these systems will be AMAZING and no doubt they will have some very good games on them but I want to try a whole new expierience and that is what N is promising to deliver..

This is why ppl on the grown up forums and in the magazines like EDGE (thats the worlds leading industry magazine that is boss) are a bit pissed off.
Ninty said they were going to be inovative, I agree, and even tho your talking down to Karl im sure he agrees to.
But red steel is an urban shooter, explain to me whats so inovative about that? oh its a fps with a slightly more controllable lightgun, thats not inovative thats basic, thats a waste of technolagy.
thats everything you just didnt ask for.

Not sure why you were quoting IGN then either. its sales chat, get an opinion.

that's just one great title. this isnt' including the next super smash bros (which is wifi out of fhe box) and what ever other 1st party titles N has in the works..

WOW - thats just one great title - again what does that mean? no one questions if there will be more then one great title on the Rev, im sure there will be.

Im sure the rev will be exciting and fun to play - just quit with the sales speel.

[Kaylee]

{fears Mark's extensive knowledge of video gamery}

[Ultrasabre]

"Karl Lynch"]How about because the last three handheld consoles were virtually the same? The Gameboy Advance, the SP and the DS are almost identical in terms of hardware. Why not outsource your hardware production or, if your games are so fantastically playable, start making them for all consoles? Then you would have money coming in from your franchises from all systems, less the cost of producing the hardware they run on. More money is in theory what a business desires.

WTF? ok ya the differences between the GBA in the SP are few.. sp was merely an upgrade.. DS on the other hand is an entrely different technology.. its graphics are more comparable to N64's where Advance is comparable to SNES...my god have u even played DS? if so which game? I don't know how in the world u can compare DS to GBA.. that touch screen changes gamplay. playing strategy games and being able to pick out ur units with a touch is quite a change in gameplay in my opinion and the opinion of those who have played these games I am referring to.. also, please view the intro to MP:H on DS.. I'm sorry GBA could not pull that off..

Nintendo aren't likely to lose their dominant position in the market anytime soon, so why not maximise that position while you have it? You'd still be taking money from the huge number of developers because you would own the rights to the console, even if it were manufactured differently, and would be taking all the money for the games- since an individual may buy only one console but might buy many games for that console. You'd still also be taking a cut from the console sale too. Sure it wouldn't be as much, but then you wouldn't have the costs of developing or producing it either.

Nintendo does not have the views of its competitors.. Nintendo's main focus is enteratining people with games and innovation.. they are not looking to make a system that can releive your special needs, cook ya breakfast or teleport u to the next dimension but are rather looking for a fun and NEW way to enjoy playing video games.. nintendo's loss in hardware sales is bare minimal because they make game systems not mulit-function home entertainment systems which means they aren't expensive to manufacture.. revolution will be the cheapest of the 3 and for a short time N may lose some money on them but as soon as there are nuff revs to go around and cost to making them becomes cheaper they can then turn into a profitt... the average gamer is not gonna be able to walk in and buy a PS3.. its gonna be taxing with all the advanced tech they have on it.. Nintendo's goal is to make a system thats not ridiculously priced and affordable to the average gamer and the rev very will be..

If you believe adding a touchscreen or a gyromouse is a revolution in gameplay then you have very low expectations imo. You're not changing the gameplay, you're playing the same type of game with a different piece of hardware- replace a D-button with a touchscreen and you're still on the same game, performing the same actions, just with a different piece of hardware.

dude, I have a DS and yes the gameplay is addicting and fun because of the touch screen.. sure there are some games that don't need it but there are games that make the touch screen worth having and there will be even more games coming out that exploit the touch screen feature in new and innovative ways.. wow dude.. your logic is so flawed I dunno where to begin.. Nintendo must be doing something right because as soon as they take devs behind locked doors, reveal some of revs secrets and what exactly the controller can do the devs sign up on the rev bandwagon. thats what happend to teccmo and thats why they pledged a golf game @ launch..How long has it been since teccmo did ANYTHING for nintendo? umm ya... Squenix was impressed which is why you will see games from them on rev.. the maker of MGS was VERY intrigued when nin gave him a private demonstration on the rev controller... he is lookin forward to a dev kit... all this mind u was reported on IGN...

About the only genuine 'revolution' I've seen in gameplay is the EyeToy, and that has no pretentions to be anything other than what it is: a fun waste of time. It's about the only example I've seen of a genuinely new way of controlling your system and allowed for an entirely new style of game. Changing your pointing device isn't really what I'd call a revolution. It could be called innovative but not a revolution.


I entirely agree making your system more powerful does not directly lead to new types of game in a stagnanet market- but the more powerful the system, the more options and leeway developers are likely to have in using their imaginations on it. There is only so much you can do with limited hardware- expanding your hardware won't necessarily guarantee new styles of game but it's certainly helpful. Of course that could be offset by higher development costs pushing developers to more standard 'proven' formats to guarantee return, but we'll see.

u can only add so many polygons, textures, purdy colors and special effects to a game ya know?? I think @ this point we've esablished some really great visuals are possbile with current and next generation hardware.. undoubtedly Xbox 360 has shown me some of the prettiest graphix I have ever seen on a console but as I have said pretty graphics are NOT what makes a game fun to play. its all about gameplay and nintendo will be delivering a new way to play games other then a standard controller with buttons.. they will give u the ability to interact with the charactors in a game on a whole new level making it an ENTIRELY different way to play video games and will also be giving you great visuals to go with the gameplay...

[Kaylee]

WTF? ok ya the differences between the GBA in the SP are few.. sp was merely an upgrade.. DS on the other hand is an entrely different technology.. its graphics are more comparable to N64's where Advance is comparable to SNES...my god have u even played DS? if so which game? I don't know how in the world u can compare DS to GBA.. that touch screen changes gamplay. playing strategy games and being able to pick out ur units with a touch is quite a change in gameplay in my opinion and the opinion of those who have played these games I am referring to.. also, please view the intro to MP:H on DS.. I'm sorry GBA could not pull that off..

The DS upgrade to graphics is minor (are you forgetting how old N64 is now?)- and besides, graphics are (apparently) not the issue. Its selling point is its stylus and second screen. Great for fun little games I'm sure but it is hardly a revolution. My first PC was a 286 running DOS 5.0- it didn't become a new system because I added a mouse and a new monitor. It still did the exact same things, just with a new method of control. That is my point with the DS. I'm sure its a fun way to spend 30 mins, so was the Advance- so are most handheld systems imo.

Nintendo does not have the views of its competitors.. Nintendo's main focus is enteratining people with games and innovation.. they are not looking to make a system that can releive your special needs, cook ya breakfast or teleport u to the next dimension but are rather looking for a fun and NEW way to enjoy playing video games.. nintendo's loss in hardware sales is bare minimal because they make game systems not mulit-function home entertainment systems which means they aren't expensive to manufacture.. revolution will be the cheapest of the 3 and for a short time N may lose some money on them but as soon as there are nuff revs to go around and cost to making them becomes cheaper they can then turn into a profitt... the average gamer is not gonna be able to walk in and buy a PS3.. its gonna be taxing with all the advanced tech they have on it.. Nintendo's goal is to make a system thats not ridiculously priced and affordable to the average gamer and the rev very will be..

Your views on Nintendo's focus being 'entertaining people' is patently not true. It's a limited company- its main focus is making money (and I would imagine maintaining their strong grip on the handheld market). Other than that you haven't given me a single reason why manufacturing their own hardware is any more sensible that my suggestion.

dude, I have a DS and yes the gameplay is addicting and fun because of the touch screen.. sure there are some games that don't need it but there are games that make the touch screen worth having and there will be even more games coming out that exploit the touch screen feature in new and innovative ways.. wow dude.. your logic is so flawed I dunno where to begin.. Nintendo must be doing something right because as soon as they take devs behind locked doors, reveal some of revs secrets and what exactly the controller can do the devs sign up on the rev bandwagon. thats what happend to teccmo and thats why they pledged a golf game @ launch..How long has it been since teccmo did ANYTHING for nintendo? umm ya... Squenix was impressed which is why you will see games from them on rev.. the maker of MGS was VERY intrigued when nin gave him a private demonstration on the rev controller... he is lookin forward to a dev kit... all this mind u was reported on IGN...

My logic appears flawed mainly because you can't seem to differentiate 'fun' from 'revolutionary'.

They're not giving you a new anything. The controller functions as a gyromouse and as a light-gun. Both of those technologies have been around for some time: in the case of the light gun it was available for consoles as far back as the SNES. You're not finding a new way to interact with games, you're finding new ways to do the same interaction; imo that is the important HCI distinction.

u can only add so many polygons, textures, purdy colors and special effects to a game ya know?? I think @ this point we've esablished some really great visuals are possbile with current and next generation hardware.. undoubtedly Xbox 360 has shown me some of the prettiest graphix I have ever seen on a console but as I have said pretty graphics are NOT what makes a game fun to play. its all about gameplay and nintendo will be delivering a new way to play games other then a standard controller with buttons.. they will give u the ability to interact with the charactors in a game on a whole new level making it an ENTIRELY different way to play video games and will also be giving you great visuals to go with the gameplay...

Other than repeating what I've already said, you seem to have blind faith that NR will give an entirely new method of interaction. Considering they're borrowing existing technologies that is a blatent falsehood, surely? i.e. they're not new.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

Nintendo does not have the views of its competitors.. Nintendo's main focus is enteratining people with games and innovation..

What does that mean exactly? thats like saying, a chikens main aim is to make egss, it has no competitors - well duh! SALES SPEEL!!!

they are not looking to make a system that can releive your special needs, cook ya breakfast or teleport u to the next dimension but are rather looking for a fun and NEW way to enjoy playing video games

Thats the same as Sony and MS

.. nintendo's loss in hardware sales is bare minimal because they make game systems not mulit-function home entertainment systems which means they aren't expensive to manufacture.. revolution will be the cheapest of the 3 and for a short time N may lose some money on them but as soon as there are nuff revs to go around and cost to making them becomes cheaper they can then turn into a profitt...

Wow, thats some seriously insighted buissness logic you got there.
Sony and MS can afford to build expensive units, thats the point. they all lose money, some can afford more then others - whats your point?

the average gamer is not gonna be able to walk in and buy a PS3.. its gonna be taxing with all the advanced tech they have on it.. Nintendo's goal is to make a system thats not ridiculously priced and affordable to the average gamer and the rev very will be..

Have you met all these 'average' gammers? are u an average gammer, or am i, or is Karl, perhaps BF is. im not sure.
Going by your logic, how come the PS2 which remained the most expensive console throughout its life has sold 90 million uints? - are they all average gammers?

wow dude.. your logic is so flawed I dunno where to begin..

Dude, why dont you try? instead of just not?

Nintendo must be doing something right because as soon as they take devs behind locked doors, reveal some of revs secrets and what exactly the controller can do the devs sign up on the rev bandwagon.

DUDE your logic is flawed!!! please think for 1 sec, everyone else is already signed up for Sony and MS so its not a surprise devs might sign up for ninty. god damm think please think!!!

thats what happend to teccmo and thats why they pledged a golf game @ launch..How long has it been since teccmo did ANYTHING for nintendo? umm ya...

A golf game! - dont all rush at once folks.

Squenix was impressed which is why you will see games from them on rev.. the maker of MGS was VERY intrigued when nin gave him a private demonstration on the rev controller... he is lookin forward to a dev kit... all this mind u was reported on IGN...

Whats your point exactly? Square might make a game for rev, I bet they do, what are you trying to prove?
uh oh folks, I think I know what the point is....

u can only add so many polygons, textures, purdy colors and special effects to a game ya know?? I think @ this point we've esablished some really great visuals are possbile with current and next generation hardware.. undoubtedly Xbox 360 has shown me some of the prettiest graphix I have ever seen on a console but as I have said pretty graphics are NOT what makes a game fun to play.

Right for starters graphics - 8bit games allowed you to interact in a basic rashion, without 64bit you wouldnt have moved from 2D mario to 3D mario.
thats graphics and power, you work the rest out.

its all about gameplay and nintendo will be delivering a new way to play games other then a standard controller with buttons.. they will give u the ability to interact with the charactors in a game on a whole new level making it an ENTIRELY different way to play video games and will also be giving you great visuals to go with the gameplay...

Dude, why do u feel the need to tell ppl what we already know, do u work for Nintendo.

look here:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/fanboy.jpg

seriously, Rev will be a good game system, but questions are already being asked by ppl with more then a sales pitch behind them.

example.

How accurate is that controller? - to work u need to marry up points on the controller to an IK rig in 3D, thats a fact chaps.
The more accurate your rig, the more power you require, that lack of power the Rev has might be a downfall.

Also, and its worth noting.

the Rev controller technolagy wasnt new, it did already exist and wasnt under copyright - rumor has it that X360 and PS3 have thier own versions in development.
Nintys trump card might already fall foul to systems that can offer everything Rev can and more.

Wasnt GC supposed to last 20 years?

[Ultrasabre]

Perhaps Karl was refering to giving up on the home console market, Ninty is always strong in the Handheld market. - dont compare the two.

1stly didn't notice that was last year. Second He said nin should just quit hardware and make games. I posted a reason as to why they wouldn't and shouldn't do that. nitnendo is still making money so why would they drop it all and stop making hardware? sega did that cuzz they were in negative.. there is no reason for N to do so.. i was not comparing the two markets.. sorry u misunderstood..



the only reason I pointed out RE4 (on cube) was to use as an example.. Just because GC was technically infeirior to Xbox, it was still quite capable of runnin a game that looked as gorgeous as any xbox game..So just because 360 and ps3 are going to be technicially supierior to Rev, rev will still make some beautiful looking games cuzz N isnt' gonna totally slack in that dept.. they just think pumping resources into making PLAYING games more fun is more imortant then making them look prettier with super powerful tech.. I guess I should elaborated more on why I said that.. I also want to appologize for misleading you.. its not that I don't like purdy graphics and visuals..its not that I think they don't matter.. its just that I think Gameplay is by FAR > then graphics, power and visuals.. I still play Starcraft: brood war for crying out loud.. any game on Playstation has better graphics then that but its just so addicting because of what is that? o that's right GAMEPLAY. my focus here is not to bash pretty graphics and visuals but to emphasize on the importance of GAMEPLAY on its impact on PLAYING a video game.. do u watch a video game or do u PLAY a video game?? visuals to me are a bonus.. .they are not the main factor determining how good a game is.. @ least in my opinion..

Not to mention the PS2 (because its on that to!)

ya well I was referring to the GC version because that was the version that was said to be one of the most beautiful this generation on many magazines and reviews.. and the PS2 version was still an infierior port..

"Tailored for PlayStation 2
Resident Evil 4 offered up absolutely stunning visuals on GameCube. While skeptics may have chattered it couldn't be pulled off on the PlayStation 2, they will now find themselves eating their words. Well, mostly. The beautiful art direction of RE4 is kept intact, and while there have been sacrifices on the PS2, they are minor -- just like any other indiscretions in the game. Textures have been dumbed down and lighting, a relatively big player, is not quite as impressive."

while differences were minor it was still an infierior port so ya..

All of them actually, the ress is just not visable on normal TV, all games are at 720p - do some homework.

not every TV is supports blueray or HDTV.. I'm no expert on the subject of high def and don't claim nor pretend to be but i know that the percentage of homes that have HDTV is a small percentage..

This is why ppl on the grown up forums and in the magazines like EDGE (thats the worlds leading industry magazine that is boss) are a bit pissed off.
Ninty said they were going to be inovative, I agree, and even tho your talking down to Karl im sure he agrees to.
But red steel is an urban shooter, explain to me whats so inovative about that? oh its a fps with a slightly more controllable lightgun, thats not inovative thats basic, thats a waste of technolagy.
thats everything you just didnt ask for.

Not sure why you were quoting IGN then either. its sales chat, get an opinion.

Cuzz IGN had some info on the style of gameplay perhaps??!!:!:

have u played N FPS with that kind of controller? do u know all the revs secrets? there is more to the contorller then we know.. all I know is I read u could us a katana and will have to learn how to use one correctly I was intrigued.. I haven't played with the revs controller yet (obviously) but I can imagine and the whold idea of swinging a controller simular to the way u would swing a katana n that sounds cool.. It will be a different way to play an FPS...

WOW - thats just one great title - again what does that mean? no one questions if there will be more then one great title on the Rev, im sure there will be.

Im sure the rev will be exciting and fun to play - just quit with the sales speel.

Meant to say that's just one more great sounding launch title.. o well..

not trying to sell a damn thing..buy a rev or don't buy one I care not. those who dont' will be missin out. .I'm buying one n thats all I care about.. I'm just trying to express that the best graphics and power do not necessarily mean the best games..

[Obfleur]

Nintendo - making games for your pleasure <insert image of a rainbow that goes across the Nintendo Office. Care Bears are flying around, spreading love and hope. All the workers in the office have a smile on their face, because "here it's casual friday every day!" All of a sudden a door flies open and in walks a boy that is dying in cancer. The head of Nintendo walks over to him and hands over a Nintendo Rev. controller... the pure joy of holding this super awesome power controller cures him of the cancer.
The head of Nintendo gathers everyone around and starts his speech "This is what Nintendo is all about: making people happy. Not money. Who cares about the money? Come on, lets rip our pay checks in half, and then make an awesome FPS shooter game!">

[Best First]

i hate the way impy is quoteing people. its just wrong.

parp.

[Kaylee]

@ Besty & Obfleur

[divebomb]

I think people are thinking about it in the wrong way. The controller is 'revolutionary', but only in the home console market. Nintendo basically can do what they like design-wise because they have a solid, profit making company. So what if the Rev fails, they are making more money off the DS than they did with the gameboy, and reaping the proceeds.

Personally I think that Nintendo must know what they're doing, they do have R&D depts, the idea behind the console wasn't just jotted down on the reverse of a fag packet. They key statement arrived this week, the focus of the Rev is getting the Japanese market back on side, something inexplicably MS can't do with the Xbox franchise.

Looking at the confirmation of Red Steel for Rev, people can be so stupidly fickle.

Gamer 1: "Nintendo is for kids"

Gamer 2: "They just have kiddie games and game consoles that are
like toys"

Nintendo Rep: "Right so we need to incorporate more adult titles in our
range?"

Gamer 1: "Yeah just like the PS"

Nintendo Rep: "Okay then here's one of the launch titles, an adult game
based on the japanese mafia where you get to use guns
and swords to kill people"

Gamer 2: "But it's just another adult FPS, we want more innovation"

Nintendo Rep: "Okay then what about a game where you look after
dogs?"

Gamer 1: "But thats a kiddie game"

and on and on.............


Look at the N64. Launched with Turok, probably at that time one of the goriest games available, but it was still looked at as a kiddie console.

For gods sake Nintendo will always be viewed as a kiddie console, but personally I don't care. In the past gen my favourite games were Super monkey ball, SSBM, MGS2, Zelda WW and warioware. Some people may find the majority of these kiddie, but sod off at 23 I am glad to say I enjoyed every moment of playing them. Why cannot some people just admit that there are a lot of "kiddie games", yes some are crap, some are very good. But then again for every GTA there is a True Crime. As long as games are fun to play and you enjoy them whats the problem?
I don't want to be told to play a game because it's fashionable, just like I won't immediately run out and get a Rev or PS3 just because I'm being told to buy one because they have been released.

Just think back to when you first played, mario 3, mario world and mario 64, Sonic, Resident evil, Doom, Quake etc, and I don't know about any of you but as long as I feel like I did when I first played them when I play games in this upcoming generation I will be one happy chappy whilst there will be a lot of people still here bitching at each other defending there console of choice. Life is too short, and Nintendo, like sony, like Microsoft don't give a toss what we think as long as they make their revenue, like it has been said here before, they are Plc's it's just what they do, and consumer happiness is a nice by-product.

[Predabot]

Divebomb is my hero.

Mark, Karl, I have shunned from commenting on your little conversation, because you both sound so aggressive.

Anyho', here's a new screen of that Red Steel.
(will post pic later, cause I dribbled away the bloody addy for it..)

I also hear that a new game-company called Nibris is working on a game for the Revo called Sadness, wich will apparently be entirely in black and white...

http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives ... s-details/

Also, the wee European lads called Crossbeam Studios have a very interesting game called Thorn coming up for the Revo, however, it is unclear if they may have set their visionary bar of genre-merging too high.

http://gonintendo.com/?p=2014

[Kaylee]

I see nothing at variance with what I've been saying. I'm sure it'll be a fun waste of time to play, which is great, but it's certainly not without its failings. The most obvious which leaps to mind is their proposed controller is likely to give anybody simultaneous repetitive strain injury and carpal tunnel syndrome if they play it for more than 40 minutes at a throw. But I'm sure there is a niche market for such a thing, especially if its cheap given the especially high prices of the main next-gen consoles and your production costs are low. I just honestly see nothing to bother getting excited/upset over either.

I have similar views on Mac releasing their system on Intel chips- quite why it seemed to be viewed as such a terrific and world-beating move leaves me utterly in the dark. In the same way I'm sure NR will be a bit of fun but it's hardly anything to go crazy for.

Nintendo is like Cliff Richard; the instant you cast a critical eye on them there's a fan waiting to tell you how wrong you are Especially for an iconoclast like meself :3

[divebomb]

Divebomb is my hero.

Right I need a sig with that on right now

[Impactor returns 2.0]

I feel like quoting!

But I cant anymore, ive used my 'quota' up for the year!

I hope everyone buys what they want in the end, and that everyone is happy - myself Ill buy whatever looks good, all 3 if need be, as i can.

[divebomb]

I feel like quoting!

But I cant anymore, ive used my 'quota' up for the year!

I hope everyone buys what they want in the end, and that everyone is happy - myself Ill buy whatever looks good, all 3 if need be, as i can.

If its about any of my points, quote away, I'd rather hear your views than not

[Kaylee]

Mark, Karl, I have shunned from commenting on your little conversation, because you both sound so aggressive.

That never stopped you adding your opinions before that I can recall...

[Impactor returns 2.0]

No I agree with what you have to say - I just dont agree with US as its so hype driven it makes me feel ill

I guess having been around since the old spectrum days and ive seen this.

Spectrum V's C64
Atari ST V's Amiga
NES V's Master System
Gameboy V's Lynx V's GameGear
Snes V's Megadrive
Jaguar V's 3DO
Saturn V's Playstation V's N64
DC V's the media
PS2 V's Xbox V's Game Cube

and now

X360 V's PS3 V's Rev

(all of the above V's the PC )

Been there done that got the t-shirt - all the consoles offer somthing good, I just get pissed of with all the hype talk. after 20 years of hearing the same old arguments it gets a bit stale.

I like the direction Nintendo is taking with the Rev, its nice to see somthing new - I wonder what developers will do with it. so far we have a golf game and a FPS. great! sort of.

[divebomb]

I like the direction Nintendo is taking with the Rev, its nice to see somthing new - I wonder what developers will do with it. so far we have a golf game and a FPS. great! sort of.

Captain Cave man (club)

Nintenpony (brush and whip)

Nintendentist (Learn dentistry the fun way!)

Nintendojo (learn how to use nunchucks the fun way!)

Nintendoption (Learn how to raise a baby the fun way!)

Nintendib-dib-dib (Learn the ways of Scouting the fun way!)

Nintendob-dob-dob (See above, released like pokemon 2 versions)

Nintendrive (Learn how to lay a drive way the fun way!)

Nintendavid-hasselhoff (Learn how to be david hasselhoff the fun way!)

and the more adult titles.....

Ninten-do-it-yourself-porn (learn how to get ahead in the adult entertainment industry the fun way!)

Nintendildo (for the girls)