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Post by Metal Vendetta » Thu May 12, 2005 9:16 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/stor ... ker-103704
...[The Prime Minister Tony Blair] backed the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent which has banned youths wearing hooded tracksuit tops from its premises.
So if I were to go shopping there with my girlfriend and we were both wearing hoodies (as we often do) we would be denied entry?

Not that I would go to Bluewater anyway, the place is the worst kind of pretentious ****hole for aspirational wankers, and this just confirms it. Though I'm shocked at Blair, I thought he had more sense. Maybe he's trying to win back a bit of populist support...
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Post by Autobloke » Thu May 12, 2005 9:20 pm

I like to wear guns. And the corpses of dogs. :dead:

And a lot of denim, for some reason... :sweat:
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Post by Metal Vendetta » Thu May 12, 2005 9:33 pm

Autobloke wrote:And a lot of denim, for some reason... :sweat:
You're a sick, sick man.
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Post by Manchester Devil » Thu May 12, 2005 9:36 pm

Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.

"Oh no, kids in hoodies are coming toward us, run for your lives!!!!!"

I mean really.

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Post by Señior's Covenant » Thu May 12, 2005 9:39 pm

Hoodies are a must have in these parts.
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Post by Autobloke » Thu May 12, 2005 9:50 pm

It's 'Chav City' 'round my way. :x
I own some demin shirts (grimaces in anticipation of reply).
I... also used to have a denim jacket with a big picture patch sewn on the back.
That was in the late eighties though. Or what I refer to as 'The Drug Period'.
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Post by jboyler » Thu May 12, 2005 11:31 pm

I don't know why you people have so many problems. Everyone in America wears a tuxedo every day, and this sort of thing never comes up.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Fri May 13, 2005 12:31 am

they have a problem with a certain type of ppl wearing essentially a uniform.

you know it.

I ******* hate these lil *****, i want to stab and kill them.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Fri May 13, 2005 2:17 am

Can someone explain what the problem with hoodies is to those of us outside of Europe?
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Post by Metal Vendetta » Fri May 13, 2005 4:46 am

Professor Smooth wrote:Can someone explain what the problem with hoodies is to those of us outside of Europe?
Erm, their thinking is roughly that by banning hoodies they will discourage undesirable types from entering the mall. 'Cause only undesiable types wear hoodies and they wear them all the time. It's from the same school of thought that brougt us all decent people have short, sensible hair and wear a tie.
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Post by Darth Aux » Fri May 13, 2005 5:04 am

Bravo I say, all these Hoodlums with their "Hoodies" and there damn "Happy Slapping". I tell you the world would be a much safer place without these undisirables. ;) :P

What a load of old tosh. Banning hoodies, what's next baseball caps??! :evil:
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Post by Brendocon » Fri May 13, 2005 7:47 am

Thing is, the troublemaking wankers usually gravitate towards hoodies and baseball caps because it hides their identity (and their individuality, natch).

So I can sort of see where they're coming from. Still an insane generalisation, though.

But hey, this country's crap anyway, so why are we surprised?
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Post by Snowcat » Fri May 13, 2005 8:36 am

I agree with this, actually. All the little chav shitbags round my area wear hoodies and baseball caps, again, to hide their identity when they`re being twats.

Roll on the national identity cards, I say. If you`ve nothing to hide, you shouldn`t have a problem with it.
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Post by spiderfrommars » Fri May 13, 2005 8:53 am

I haven't decided where I stand on this. On the one hand its a stereotype and judging people by what they wear actually pisses me off a lot. On the other hand, do they need to cover their heads when simply shopping? (why not put the hood down?)

Is it the same school of thought that says no balaclavas in banks? ;)
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Post by Snowcat » Fri May 13, 2005 8:57 am

spiderfrommars wrote:I haven't decided where I stand on this. On the one hand its a stereotype and judging people by what they wear actually pisses me off a lot. On the other hand, do they need to cover their heads when simply shopping? (why not put the hood down?)

Is it the same school of thought that says no baraclavas in banks? ;)
Let`s face it, the "kids" who wear hoodies in shopping centres aren`t likely to be "shopping" as you and I would.

Hanging round, hurling abuse at those who they see as different (and chavs are like Daleks: anything different is wrong) and shoplifting whilst drunk on cider isn`t what I class as shopping.
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Post by Kaylee » Fri May 13, 2005 10:15 am

It sounds entirely like the goverment tackling one of the symptoms rather than the problem (again)... imo.

Problem- we are developing an increasing number of obnoxious little swine in our society.

Solution- better education? Vocational qualifications? Cutting benefits for those who cause antisocial behaviour?

Er no.

We'll ban what they wear.

Hence they will just find some other identity masking apparel which will become the next fashion, I think.
Snowcat wrote: Roll on the national identity cards, I say. If you`ve nothing to hide, you shouldn`t have a problem with it.
I have a problem with it on several counts-

a. It assumes I *DO* have something to hide and therefore must be made to prove otherwise, i.e. guilty until proven innocent.
b. I do not trust our government to implement security enough to make theft of my personal data sufficiently difficult
c. I object to having such unnecessary levels of personal data on such an easily thievable item (proposed are biometric measurements, retina scans, fingerprints) when all you need is a clear photograph, name address and brief description imo.
d. Copying information stored on the card is likely to fall a long way short of impossible, similarly altering it is also quite probably simple for those with sufficient resources (i.e. organised criminals). Which counters the big argument about having an electronic card rather than a standard card (like the photoID driving licence).
e. ID cards are proposed as a means for tackling illegal working, which the French countered effectively with work permits.
f. I am already monitored by the government (as are we all) since they have the powers to read our emails, check our browsing habbits, read our bank statements, observe our criminal records (if any) gain access to our hospital records, follow us just about everywhere on CCTV and now they want to enhance that further by having a convenient chip that will record whenever (presumably) we leave the country [ID cards are proposed to be introduced in new passports this Summer, which I will have to get being a frequent traveller]. And yet still we apparently live in an unsafe world full of terrorists, illegal immigrants and thugs in hoodies which the government need even more powers to tackle.

The analogy about bad workmen and their tools springs to mind...

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Fri May 13, 2005 10:49 am

been in a pub with a cap on lately?

you get told to take it off because security cameras cant see your face, same with hoodies.

right, in the UK right now, if you dress with a cap and hoodie, and generally look like a chav, hang around in a group of other lil *****, you are trouble a maker. im not gonna say maybe, because its bollox. you dress in the code, die like it.

its hard to define en masse, but I think a shopping centre has the right to ban a certain a dress from its centres as at least thier video cameras are of some worth then.

I dont hve a problem with security cards, you carry 2 of them anyway, and all your other information is passed on, it makes no odds.
If it keeps out cheating lil ***** then good.
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Post by Kaylee » Fri May 13, 2005 11:24 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote: I dont hve a problem with security cards, you carry 2 of them anyway, and all your other information is passed on, it makes no odds.
TBH I actually find that quite sweet {giggles} ^_^

Don't worry about anything because it will happen anyway/take care of itself :) Reminds me of my Grandad, he has the same attitude.
If it keeps out cheating lil ***** then good.
Problem is imo it won't. ID cards are not the solution, if bank cards and passports can be copied so can these things be.

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Post by Impactor returns 2.0 » Fri May 13, 2005 11:54 am

your right, I got up today with the "your footbal club has just been ****** over - feeling" - then I realised it was true.

Thinking naturally about things tho, as technolagy intergrates us more and more, information is more easily available etc... will big brother just exist through progression?
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Post by Kaylee » Fri May 13, 2005 12:11 pm

I suppose so, certainly as far as distributed information storage and processing goes. What I'd like to see is some (virtually) foolproof method of ensuring that your personal information is only accessible by you.

i.e. you drop your ID card (or chip or whatever) and it is utterly useless without you there to operate it.

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Post by Autobloke » Fri May 13, 2005 7:59 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:observe our criminal records
Yikes! (pulls hoodie up and ducks into shopping centre).

The fact is, none of us are safe until we develop the technology to scan our brains as proof of identity. If you HAVE a brain of course - some other method will be required to log politicians and chavs.
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Post by Professor Smooth » Fri May 13, 2005 9:29 pm

I'm reminded of when my high school tried to ban overcoats. If you wore an overcoat (and I did) you were singled out like no one's business. They believed that if you were wearing an overcoat, you were doing so because they're easy to hide weapons in. My reason: They're ****ing warm! Man, was that ever a great time to **** with a school's authority. It was almost worth it just for the stories.
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Post by Autobloke » Fri May 13, 2005 9:35 pm

Professor Smooth wrote:hide weapons
Have you people been reading my permanent record? :x
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Post by Denyer » Fri May 13, 2005 10:23 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I dont hve a problem with security cards, you carry 2 of them anyway
Er, are you talking about testicles?

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Post by Señior's Covenant » Fri May 13, 2005 10:30 pm

Denyer wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:I dont hve a problem with security cards, you carry 2 of them anyway
Er, are you talking about testicles?
No, tits. I've got two right now. Don Murphy strangleheld in the left, this nice anonymous woman in the right. Oh, sorry ma'am.
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Post by Metal Vendetta » Fri May 13, 2005 11:02 pm

Uh...what?

Y'know what, never mind.
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