Captain America film on the way!

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:37 am

http://www.mtvasia.com/News/200504/29011924.html

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Paramount Pictures is feeling red, white and anything but blue these days, as the studio has reached an agreement with Marvel Enterprises to distribute a Hulk-sized slate of feature films including one showcasing iconic superhero Captain America.

The deal, which also gives it the rights to hard-nosed Howling Commando leader Nick Fury, could include as many as 10 films over an eight-year period, all to be produced by the legendary comic-book organization.

Marvel, leader in the recent comic-book-to-movie explosion that has seen such bestselling characters as Spider-Man and the X-Men transformed into movie stars, will be taking a different approach from the shared productions of its previous films. The Paramount deal specifies that Marvel's budget for each film will range from $45 to $180 million, and that none of them can be R-rated. The first flick is expected to be released in 2007 or 2008.

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Although the identities of the other eight superheroes will remain secret for the time being, the news that a Captain America film is moving forward will undoubtedly excite fans of the heroic shield-wielder, Marvel's greatest success during the so-called "Golden Age" of comics.

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The only thing I didn't like about this was the restriction that the movies can't be rated R. I understand that most of Marvel wants the widest audience possible and that most of Marvel's characters are not dark anti-heros, and they certainly don't intend to make the next 'Sin City,' but it just seems like they're handicapping themselves.

But I do like Cap, and I'm sorry that he's had such a bad run in the comics. Hopefully a good, Spiderman-quality movie will put him back in the spotlight and we'll be able to get some good Cap comics.

-J

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:36 am

it can only be betetr than the last one. However in a few years time I suspect the public will have overdosed on Super Hero's.
The whole marvel universe has a film in production and 2 sequels and a spin off loned up. recently they have been gettting s##ter, the creativetity is running off. having DC launch their brands again and loads of comic book like films means by 2007 I myself will be heroed out at the movies let alone joe average.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:50 pm

I'd guess that's the Avengers movie rights sold off, then. They need to keep the number of superhero movies manageable so we don't get overdosed on them.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:21 pm

I've never considered CA to be much of a superhero tbh. Just another generic goodguy running round trying to sell comics. I can't help but think there are more deserving stories wanting to be told.

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:33 pm

I agree with Jetfire: The market is WAY saturated already on superhero films. This will bring it all crashing down.

Not only that, but most of the more successful superhero movies lately (Spidey, Xmen, Hulk) feature superheroes that have lots of cool CGI powers and effects that couldn't have been done before. Movies that don't (Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher) don't do as well. And Cap falls into the latter catagory.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:35 pm

I could see paying 9 bucks for a gritty PG-13 Captain America movie. As a typical superhero flick, I assume it'd be kind of lame.

Regardless, it'll probably be Captain America VS The Red Skull in some capacity. Though how they're going to make "Frozen hero from the 40's reawakens to fight communisim" relevant to today's moviegoing public is a mysery to me.

Would this movie make any money overseas? Is there a market for Captain America outside the US? Guess Cap. Brit. does moderately well over in the states so...

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:09 pm

Shanti418 wrote:I agree with Jetfire: The market is WAY saturated already on superhero films. This will bring it all crashing down.

Not only that, but most of the more successful superhero movies lately (Spidey, Xmen, Hulk) feature superheroes that have lots of cool CGI powers and effects that couldn't have been done before. Movies that don't (Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher) don't do as well. And Cap falls into the latter catagory.

Batman is highly likely to eb very successful.Daredevil et al were relatively low budget and pushed to a cult audience rather than a general one.

With Captain America I can see a good story in comtempory terroism and the worlds current view on America and what it represents, but I can't see them being brave enough to do it or exclude a generic "The Red Skull wanst to take over the world" plotline which will be so dull.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:25 pm

The last Captain America movie was SO BAD!
Did anyone see the Shield movie with David Hasslehoff as Nick Fury? Quite possibly the WORST film EVER!!!

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Sun May 01, 2005 12:47 am

Jetfire wrote:it can only be betetr than the last one. However in a few years time I suspect the public will have overdosed on Super Hero's.
The whole marvel universe has a film in production and 2 sequels and a spin off loned up. recently they have been gettting s##ter, the creativetity is running off. having DC launch their brands again and loads of comic book like films means by 2007 I myself will be heroed out at the movies let alone joe average.

I have to disagree. Go to the theatre on any given weekend and look at the movies on the marquee. You'll see one, maybe two good films, a couple of average ones, and some real stinkers. Then look at the list of comic movies. You have a couple of good films, some average ones, and some of them are just awful.

Comic movies are just movies, with the same odds of being successful as any other movie. While we would like every single one to be great, it's not realistic to expect this. Like all movies, most will be average and only a few will really shine.

In terms of creativity, too, comic movies are still just movies. Like all media, they will go through their own development, their own fads, their own periods of decline. As time goes on, the filmmakers will adapt and learn and find new ways to tell stories.

I submit "Sin City" as evidence of this. "Sin City" is not a 'typical' comic, it is not a 'typical' movie, Miller is not a 'typical' author, nor is Rodriguez a 'typical' director. What has happened is Rodriquez gave the finger to traditional filmmaking and used his skills in a stunningly original way.

Whether the movie is any good or not is up for debate. But even if you hated it, the fact remains that it is a fantastically creative movie compared the usual Hollywood tripe.

My point here is that Hollywood has not run out of creativity. They just don't want to let their imaginations run wild. They think that their audience is stupid, and that we want to see the same thing over and over. Filmmakers today have not even begun to stretch the limits of what our minds can imagine. They just work under self-imposed limitations, following a pattern of what has been successful before.

-J

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sun May 01, 2005 7:50 am

Shanti418 wrote:I agree with Jetfire: The market is WAY saturated already on superhero films. This will bring it all crashing down.

Not only that, but most of the more successful superhero movies lately (Spidey, Xmen, Hulk) feature superheroes that have lots of cool CGI powers and effects that couldn't have been done before. Movies that don't (Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher) don't do as well. And Cap falls into the latter catagory.

Yeah, Electra... why do a movie for a sidekick when the main hero's movie was a big letdown?

I was not avare CA had no superpowers... this means he runs around dressed in the american flag and carrying a boomerang shield?

DC's heroes are sooo way better (Batman is, at least).

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Sun May 01, 2005 12:38 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:I was not avare CA had no superpowers... this means he runs around dressed in the american flag and carrying a boomerang shield?

DC's heroes are sooo way better (Batman is, at least).

....but Batman has absolutely no powers...and he runs around dressed in a PVC bat costume carrying a boomerang that's shaped like a bat.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Sun May 01, 2005 4:30 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:Yeah, Electra... why do a movie for a sidekick when the main hero's movie was a big letdown?
DC's heroes are sooo way better (Batman is, at least).

Electra will probably do at least better than Daredevil because of Jennifer Garner (yummy yum!), whereas Daredevil had Ben Afleck in it (nuff said).
As for DC being better - the fact that they only really have two characters that ever seem to be worth making films of (we'll ignore the recent Catwoman), would indicate a bit of a lack of confidence in their own titles.
Marvel have the almightly Spider-Man, Hulk (okay, perhaps not THAT good), The Punisher (also perhaps best not mentioned), the upcoming Fantastic Four and Iron Man movies (time will tell), and the X-Men could be split into all sorts of interesting spin-offs.

Then again, although it was rather rubbish, I quite liked the Spawn movie.
Then there's other less-known comic adaptations like the Guyver films and crap like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Ozz · Post by **Ozz** » Sun May 01, 2005 6:22 pm

BB Shockwave wrote:I was not avare CA had no superpowers...

I thought that super-serum gave him some powers. Like he's stronger and has better reflexes than average human and that sort of stuff.

wideload · Post by **wideload** » Sun May 01, 2005 10:29 pm

Ozz wrote:
BB Shockwave wrote:I was not avare CA had no superpowers...
I thought that super-serum gave him some powers. Like he's stronger and has better reflexes than average human and that sort of stuff.

The super serum does give him increased abilities. I always thought the whole point of him was that he was an average joe though. He was acoomplishing everthing because of his bravery and not his power.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Sun May 01, 2005 11:09 pm

Captain America is about as strong, fast, and agile as a human being can be. He's right up there with Batman.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:51 pm

He's got that shield too.
It's no Batmobile though...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:51 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:I've never considered CA to be much of a superhero tbh. Just another generic goodguy running round trying to sell comics. I can't help but think there are more deserving stories wanting to be told.

"Captain America in Beware of the DOG!!!" in which Cap starts a new paper round consisting entirely of houses with angry dogs! Will he last long enough to receive his Christmas Bonus? And will his bonus be very much, if he's ruining the comics by batting the dogs out of his way?

"Captain America versus The BOOK Store!" in which Cap is hired by Forbidden Planet. A simple enough job, you'd think. That is, until the store is overrun by geeks! Will Cap keep his head? And what's the terrifying secret in the backroom?

"Captain America in FUTURE Publishing!" in which an old Cap tries his hand at marketing. Will he make his weekly quota, or will all his cold-calling be in vain?

Captain America: Just another generic goodguy running around trying to sell comics.

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:07 pm

no doggy treat for you tonight! {hits with rolled up newspaper}

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:23 pm

Cap? Is that you?

Post by **Kaylee** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:25 pm

Rebis wrote:Cap? Is that you?

{pushes you out the back door}

there! now you can't come back in till tomorrow... don't pull that face at me!

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Tue May 03, 2005 9:50 am

Karl Lynch wrote: Just another generic goodguy running round trying to sell comics.

This is probably why Cap doesn't live up to his potential. There's really nothing about him that sets him apart from other heroes. Some characters, like Wolverine and Spiderman, have very distinctive themes and personality traits. The Punisher is another good example. The problem with Cap is that he's a very generic character... just a big, blonde tough guy that doesn't have any outstanding traits and is a little too 'perfect' for his own good.

-J

Post by **Kaylee** » Tue May 03, 2005 10:16 am

Sounds sort of like Peter Perfect from the Wacky Races- now there's a guy who needs his own movie

Post by **Best First** » Tue May 03, 2005 12:50 pm

"Frozen hero from the 40's reawakens to fight communisim" relevant to today's moviegoing public is a mysery to me.

sounds like a Will Ferrell vehicle to me...

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue May 03, 2005 8:38 pm

Best First wrote:sounds like a Will Ferrell vehicle to me...

A Will Ferrell vehicle?
Quick! To the Will Ferrellmobile! Da da da da da da dah!
Y'know, I think I'd like to see that movie.
Why not do a comedy version if the original comic character is rather dull?