And the new pope is...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:42 am

Professor Smooth wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Professor Smooth wrote: So he was just following orders, eh? I seem to recall a certain trial that put that excuse to bed...
He was consripted into the Hitler Youth, along with every other boy of his age in the country. By your argument, pretty much every German of his age was a Nazi. If you're going to judge him, do it based on a criteria which is actually relevant.
You're right. Just about every single German youth at the time was a nazi. Which doesn't make my point any less valid. The man who's serving as Pope was once a card carrying nazi! Not saying they're still nazis. I'm not saying all Germans are nazis. I'm not even saying the Pope did anything wrong. I'm just saying he's a former nazi. Not a big deal, but no less true.

You're saying that ALL Germans who grew up during the Nazi era were Nazis. In my opinion, adults who joined the Nazi party of their own free will were card-carrying Nazis. Kids who were forcibly conscripted into the Hitler Youth weren't because they had no choice. What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that anybody who grew up in Soviet Russia was a communist.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:04 am

Professor Smooth wrote:I'll leave my religion bashing at the door and say just this:

The current Pope is a former Nazi.

NAZI!!!

Where's Ultimate Weapon? Get him in here to defend the NAZI POPE!

Correction!: He served in the german army. That does not equals being a member of the National-socialist party. THAT would be a Nazi. The Pope WAS NOT.

Get your fact rights next time.

Btw,Autobloke is right. Pope Shockwave the I. ! Well, soon anyway...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:57 am

Does it really matter what he once was? Surely what he is now is the relevant thing.

I mean Emvee used to be a Christian... doesn't mean he still is one.

I used to be a Cub Scout, but I chucked it in when I got pissed off with the religious aspects to it. Just because I was one for a while doesn't mean I go "dib dib dob" when exposed to certain stimuli...

Emvee for Pope!

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:00 pm

I used to be human...

I admit that photo of him is quite scary.

"You have NO IDEA about the power of the dark side!"

Post by **Best First** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:46 pm

LMAO @ Bobo's emporer post.

Go Karl.

Boo-urns to anyone who happily perpetuates basless prejudice. That includes you Pope Bitch Tits 16th.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:54 pm

I think I'd have preferred Pope Rygel 16th, myself...

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:57 pm

Brendocon wrote:I think I'd have preferred Pope Rygel 16th, myself...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:28 pm

Brendocon wrote:I used to be a Cub Scout, but I chucked it in when I got pissed off with the religious aspects to it. Just because I was one for a while doesn't mean I go "dib dib dob" when exposed to certain stimuli...

There are religious aspects to being a boy scout? News to me.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:30 pm

They used to shove the whole Baden Powell devoted Christian thing down our throats on a regular basis. "We're doing this because it's what God wants. Now, everybody off to church!"

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:39 pm

Brendocon wrote:They used to shove the whole Baden Powell devoted Christian thing down our throats on a regular basis. "We're doing this because it's what God wants. Now, everybody off to church!"

Hence why they refuse homosexuals despite the Girl Scouts/Guides allowing lesbians.

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:10 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:
Brendocon wrote:They used to shove the whole Baden Powell devoted Christian thing down our throats on a regular basis. "We're doing this because it's what God wants. Now, everybody off to church!"
Hence why they refuse homosexuals despite the Girl Scouts/Guides allowing lesbians.

At least the boyscouts don't round them up and gas them. They just make themselves look like total asshats by publically saying they don't want them.

bobaprime85 · Post by **bobaprime85** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:28 pm

Best First wrote:LMAO @ Bobo's emporer post.

Dammit, stop confusing me with that stupid teddy bear of Mr. Burns! I don't care if we have the same mangled, disease-stricken appearance!

Anyway, getting back to the topic - while Pope Palpatine I may not have been a card-carrying Nazi, his relations with the Hitler youth, coupled with his blatant discrimination towards gays and women and his status as the unofficial bulldog for unbending church doctrine, should surely warrant a certain amount of suspicion sent his way.

I mean, anyone who talks about returning "purity" to a church should be given the hairy eyeball.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:42 pm

Brendocon wrote:They used to shove the whole Baden Powell devoted Christian thing down our throats on a regular basis. "We're doing this because it's what God wants. Now, everybody off to church!"

Interesting. Because the Boy's Brigade was supposedly formed as a specifically Christian alternative to the Scouts. Still, I suppose it varies from place to place.

bobaprime85 wrote:I mean, anyone who talks about returning "purity" to a church should be given the hairy eyeball.

Surely that depends on what he actually means by purity.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:44 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Brendocon wrote:They used to shove the whole Baden Powell devoted Christian thing down our throats on a regular basis. "We're doing this because it's what God wants. Now, everybody off to church!"
Interesting. Because the Boy's Brigade was supposedly formed as a specifically Christian alternative to the Scouts. Still, I suppose it varies from place to place.

Really?

I thought it was written in leather (or plastic equivalent thereof):

"I promise to do my duty to God and to the Queen... blah blah blah... and uphold the Cub Scout Law" or something along those lines. The Cub Scout Promise.

And am I shaking my head at being able to so easily drag that piece of knowledge up from the depths of my mind!

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:37 am

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:43 am

Professor Smooth wrote: Where's Ultimate Weapon? Get him in here to defend the NAZI POPE!

Bah! Catholocism. It becomes useless once you reach the age of reason.

But Germans don't = Nazi's! Nazi is a government idealogy that has little to do with the people of Germany. They were just it's victims.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:16 am

Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

I'd say therefore that at least in reference to the Generation of the 1930s th enotion that Nazism has little to do with the people of Germany is patently bollocks.

Have you considered changing your handle to Ultimate David Irving?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:22 am

Best First wrote:Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

Sehr gut point.

It's not like Stalin, where the Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party despite not being proper communists - the National Socialist Party were exactly what they said they were, and got elected on those merits.

And "government ideology"? You make it sound like, whomever got elected, they were going to say "right chaps, we're the government now... what does the handbook say we have to do? Nazism? Okay then!"

Government ideology. Hah.

Post by **Best First** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:35 am

ah, but when i killed that guy i was a victim of the murderous ideology that i had previoulsy concieved.

not my fault see? it was the ideology.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:52 am

Best First wrote:Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

I'd say therefore that at least in reference to the Generation of the 1930s the notion that Nazism has little to do with the people of Germany is patently bollocks.

Have you considered changing your handle to Ultimate David Irving?

Which has nothing to do with the new pope, because he was too young to vote for or against the Nazis.

Oh, and incidentally the Nazis never got more than about a third of the votes in any election until after they had came to power. And, of course, afterwards the elections could hardly be called free and fair - or even multi-party,

Post by **Kaylee** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:55 pm

FFS.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4473001.stm

That didn't take long. ****.

bobaprime85 · Post by **bobaprime85** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:28 pm

Bouncelot wrote: Surely that depends on what he actually means by purity.

They all mean the same thing when someone wants to restore "purity" to a church. It roughly translates to:

Stamping out any and all challenges to doctrine.
Reasserting the infallibility of either the office you hold and/or the text you base it off of.
Decreasing the size of the organization in order to weed out any elements that don't line up with the "official" truth.
Generally ruling things with an iron fist.

I think Palpatine I fits the above quite nicely. Dammit.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:54 am

Bouncelot wrote:
Best First wrote:Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

I'd say therefore that at least in reference to the Generation of the 1930s the notion that Nazism has little to do with the people of Germany is patently bollocks.

Have you considered changing your handle to Ultimate David Irving?
Which has nothing to do with the new pope, because he was too young to vote for or against the Nazis.

Oh, and incidentally the Nazis never got more than about a third of the votes in any election until after they had came to power. And, of course, afterwards the elections could hardly be called free and fair - or even multi-party,

To add to that:
Calling all German soldiers in WW2 "Nazis" would be like saying that all American soldiers were "Democrats" because FDR was one. The only group that can without question be called Nazi in that era of German history is the SS with the Luftwaffe also being somewhat politicized. The Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine were not nearly as politicized anywhere as much as the aforementioned organizations.

Bender · Post by **Bender** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:33 am

Being a member of quite possibly the least popular subspecies that posts around here, that being the American Republican Catholic.....

have I been banned yet?

OK

....I would like to hear Computron's opinion on this issue; we were both drinking too much last time I saw him to bring up the topic.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:52 am

If there was a way to make a fish taco the pope I say go for it. Who doesn't like a fish taco?

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:57 am

man I love fish tacos I had a bunch tonight and now I have a tummy ach.
It would be nice to assume that the pope is just a figure head, someone who always gets to have the best party hat.
Unfortunatly, this is a huge decision.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:34 am

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Best First wrote:Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

I'd say therefore that at least in reference to the Generation of the 1930s the notion that Nazism has little to do with the people of Germany is patently bollocks.

Have you considered changing your handle to Ultimate David Irving?
Which has nothing to do with the new pope, because he was too young to vote for or against the Nazis.

Oh, and incidentally the Nazis never got more than about a third of the votes in any election until after they had came to power. And, of course, afterwards the elections could hardly be called free and fair - or even multi-party,

To add to that:
Calling all German soldiers in WW2 "Nazis" would be like saying that all American soldiers were "Democrats" because FDR was one. The only group that can without question be called Nazi in that era of German history is the SS with the Luftwaffe also being somewhat politicized. The Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarine were not nearly as politicized anywhere as much as the aforementioned organizations.

True, in fact there were senior army officers (including the famous General Rommel) who tried to assassinate Hitler around about 1944/45. The military establishment was still dominated by the old-school Prussian aristocracy, so they were right-wingers, but nowhere near as extreme as the Nazi party.

BB Shockwave · Post by **BB Shockwave** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:16 pm

Best First wrote:Nazism was at its inception a specifically German form of Fascism and its core goals were based around perceptions of German history and what Germans were entitled to.

Hitler was democraticlly elected by Germans.

I'd say therefore that at least in reference to the Generation of the 1930s th enotion that Nazism has little to do with the people of Germany is patently bollocks.

Have you considered changing your handle to Ultimate David Irving?

Funny, what would you choose if half of your country was taken away and you live in poverty?

The average Joe who promises to pay the taxes to France and Britain and then you know you'll stay in poverty?

or the enthusiatist guy who has "madman" written all over him but you know he can pull the country out of its misery?

I don't blame Germany for the choice. It was the ally's greed after WWI (especially France's) that directly led to Hitler and thus WWII.

When people realised what Hitler's up to, it was too late to stop him.

Not all germans were Nazis... the Catholic and Protestant church opposed to him (and was thusly punished), then there were the Sozial-DEmokrats, the communists, the socialists, all of them were German. Not Nazis...

Post by **Best First** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:15 am

Did i say all German's were Nazi's? No.

Did i say there were not reasons that the nazi party rose to power? No.

All i was dioing was responding to this absurd statement:

Nazi is a government idealogy that has little to do with the people of Germany

see? Pay attention people.

As far as i can tell this topic thus far can be summed up as 'Pope not Nazi, just wanker', with Ultimate David Irving trying to get away with a few more bits of nonsense and hoping no one notices

Like his little Harry Potter outburst of a few years ago btw...

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:58 pm

Best First wrote:Did i say all German's were Nazi's? No.

Did i say there were not reasons that the nazi party rose to power? No.

All i was dioing was responding to this absurd statement:

Nazi is a government idealogy that has little to do with the people of Germany
see? Pay attention people.

"a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture."
That is the definition of idealogy. And thats how I see it as regards to the Nazi government. HItler had supporters and detractors. The whole nation did not turn Nazi overnight. BUt most of them were forced to.

As far as i can tell this topic thus far can be summed up as 'Pope not Nazi, just wanker', with Ultimate David Irving trying to get away with a few more bits of nonsense and hoping no one notices

Whatever!

Like his little Harry Potter outburst of a few years ago btw...

What the hell is that?