Ultimate Weapon wrote:NOt entirely! Some indians in South America have a second set of teeth, and and extra finger and toe. DNA does have an impact just as race does in decided politics, etc. Race should not just be discarded as a taboo topic because it may sound offensive. Again I do not believe in any superior race, but rather a race that has built up immunity through the centuries of breeding only within the tribe.
It's being dismissed because the concept is artificial. All the evidence strongly suggests that the tiny genetic differences between racial groups are insignificant compared to the genetic variation that exists between humans in general, and within those groups.
I'm not setting apart races but rather culture and heritage. If you try to marry an Asian women the parents are more likely to look down upon you for breeding outside of their race. That is something that people are calling into question. Whether you believe it is right or wrong I think that they have the right to have those feelings.
So you're defending peoples right to an attitude which most people in our society would consider racist.
No I do not wish that at all. I myself am a product of mixed blood and would not wish that upon anyone. I merely encourage heritage and strength in culture.
On the one hand you're saying people shouldn't mix, and here on the other you're saying it's alright?!
Well this is where we run into the real debate. The Nazi's are simply stating that you must bred within your own race, to create a better culture and heritage, legacy etc... This was carried out by approved breeding by local SS officers so that a higher grade of human being could apply good character in the stead of centralized legislation for moral and social issues. Again this is up to interpretation as to what you think the actual intent is. One can say that such ideas are racially motivated in regards to superiority. Or you can say that this certain tactic is benefiting the tribe itself.
No. Nazi ideology was that the Aryans were inherently superior to all other racial groups, and that they, the Germans, were the ultimate Aryans on the grounds that they'd kept themselves the pure-est of the Aryran groups. They had a complicated hierachy of racial groups all worked out. Neo-Nazis and Fascists might fit the picture you're presenting, but don't for one second think that the Nazis were simply "looking after their own" - they believed themselves to be superior, and were prepared to go to any lengths to reinforce that.
Would you punish them for not keeping the tribe seperate? Or just tell them interracial relationships are banned and hope they respect that.
What is the ultimate goal of self interest? Today societies are motivated by individual wealth, and not the common good of the whole. Indo-European societies in the current time are exclusively geared toward pleasing the widest range of people, and thus settle on a lowest-common-denominator utilitarianism which manifests itself in democracy and free enterprise capitalism. There is no forward motion as a whole for the society, only wealth gained by those individuals who flee to their retirment homes. Hasn't the pursuit of individual well being punished society beyond repair?
How does condemning capitalism (and a very particular view of capitalism at that) have any relvance to the question Jetfire asked? If you're saying people should only breed within their ethnic group, then to be consistent with that, you have to be in favour of some kind of sanction on those that don't.
After all half of all 2nd generation West indians in the UK are married or live as married to a white british woman. Thats a lot of relationships to seperate. I haven't even got the stats for other racial relationships.
Well again this is the question I do not have the answer for. Multicultral states are everywhere. And the implications of different cultrures interacting with each other, does create problems as you can obviously see. Would you not agree that muslims and christians obviously have different world views that conflict with each other?
How does saying that Christianity conflicts with Islam have any impact on ethnic groups. Both religions encompass people from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds, groups that would be considered to be of different races by almost anybody who uses the concept of race. The fact that cultures occasionally clash doesn't mean that we should keep them seperate - that just makes it more likely that the clashes will become violent. To effectively deal with those culture clashes, you have to have meaningful and friendly interaction between the two cultural communities.
Would you agreee to force people away from their current homes?
No I do not believe that is necessary. Where would they go? Which culture would take them in that they do not live in already? Communities and culture have to weave a partnership if they are to survive. I'm sure you have Chinese in your country. As you can see they build communities together, shops and stores, and speak their own language.
To start with, any cultural group will do this. However, over time, they will gradually integrate into the society they are part of unless one or both cultures purposefully works to prevent such integration. The best example of this is the United States - ethnic communities there consider themselves fully American and will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with other Americans from different ethnic groups, whilst retaining a flavour of their original culture. However, this "weaving a partnership" flies in the face of what you were arguing about keeping the groups seperate.
I would classify it as ethnocultural! An ethnoculture exists only when it has unbroken, unmixed lineage and upholds its culture in values, philosophies, art and traditions including the seemingly mundane but strikingly diverse ways one raises children, prepares food, establishes house and courtship rituals.
I guess that means there's no such thing as an English, or American ethnoculture then. Because they certainly don't have anything resemling an unbroken or unmixed lineage. And both cultures have changed utterly in many of the things you use as markers of culture.
Aborigines are black but desend purly from the chinese.
Please provide a credible source and information for your statement.
To verify that Aborigines are black, just look at a photo of one.
As to their origins, it's pretty much universally accepted that they arrived in Australia by coming through what's now Indonesia from the direction of China.
Once you breed in any detectable amount of another race, tribe or culture, your own ethnoculture is diluted, and rapidly falls apart. This does not imply that the mixed-in race is "inferior," only that much as two objects cannot occupy the same space, two ethnocultures cannot, without becoming a hybrid of the two, which destroys both original groups
Leaving the resultant culture considerably richer than either previous culture in the process. Unless, of course, the amalgam is a result of one community forcibly taking control over the other. Quite simply, the result of a cultural merger is so obviously beneficial that it makes people trying to prevent it look insular, small-minded, and petty.
Details. I might have some South Africian friends at the school I teach at who could give you some personnal experiences of this grade "Seperate tribe" theory actually being in action. Didn't really like it much though. Not sure why
Sounds interesting.
It was called Apartheid. You may have heard of it, and the system probably only survived as long as it did because the US saw the racist perpetrators as useful Cold War allies (much like they saw Saddam Hussein when he came to power).
Now that I have sent in my replies I would like to address the board in accepting a different viewpoint of your own. You all should be commended, accept for Snarl
, for tackling such a topic which is mostly considered taboo in our respective democracies.
I wouldn't say that anybody here accepted the viewpoint you've been putting across. But hey, we're more tolerant than most of the people who put across the kind of view you're advocating.
