Invading other forums. Is there ever a good reason?

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Tue May 03, 2005 8:48 pm

What? It's finally come to an end?
Did we ever find out if there was a good reason for invading other forums?

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Tue May 03, 2005 9:35 pm

There is and there isn't.

Now could Besty or someone close this.

I honestly feel sick reading a certain poster pretending to use reason to justify racism.

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:47 am

or you could just let it die as it was anyway...

if you want smething locking pm me about it, don't tell me here.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 6:22 pm

Jetfire wrote:There is and there isn't.

Now could Besty or someone close this.

I honestly feel sick reading a certain poster pretending to use reason to justify racism.

Maybe you should look into both sides of the issues before making such claims.

Autobloke · Post by **Autobloke** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:12 pm

Best First wrote:or you could just let it die as it was anyway...

Sorry, my bad.
(bends over for a spank)

Edit: Sorry - just realised I did it again. Doh!

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:00 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Jetfire wrote:There is and there isn't.

Now could Besty or someone close this.

I honestly feel sick reading a certain poster pretending to use reason to justify racism.
Maybe you should look into both sides of the issues before making such claims.

Yeah! He's just justifying Nazism! Psyche! It gives people the cause of anti-semitism and aggresiive nationalism to unite behind.

read up!

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:33 pm

Best First wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Jetfire wrote:There is and there isn't.

Now could Besty or someone close this.

I honestly feel sick reading a certain poster pretending to use reason to justify racism.
Maybe you should look into both sides of the issues before making such claims.
Yeah! He's just justifying Nazism! Psyche! It gives people the cause of anti-semitism and aggresiive nationalism to unite behind.

read up!

So you would unite behind semitism and communism instead?

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:47 pm

ah yes, because it is a choice between those two extremes. How very well argued!

Not being a racist does not imply favouring one group, if anything it implies treating all groups equally. Its quite simple really, if...you...read...the..words.

Equally the notion that rejecting agressive nationalism (which naturally has heavy amounts of destructive prejudice in it) in no way points to embracing communism.

Incidentally why do i have to unite behind anything?

Your nutbag arguement further fingers you for the nutbag you are.

It also appears to be a rather flimsey read herring to distract from the fact that you seem to ultimatly (see what i did there?) suppotrt nazism and find yourself unable to criticise anti-semitsim.

Hmm...intriguing.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:53 pm

Why should i criticize anti-smetism when I believe that some of it is warranted? I don't believe in the destruction of races, whether white, hebreew, or black. But I do support nationalism. Semitism has been used far to often to gain political favors and money racketeering. That is why the holocaust has become big business for Jews.

Señior's Covenant · Post by **Señior's Covenant** » Wed May 04, 2005 9:53 pm

Hmmm, fingering nutbags. What a website. [composite word including 'f*ck'] I missed this place!

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 10:02 pm

Fingered.

Ultimate Weapon wrote:Why should i criticize anti-smetism when I believe that some of it is warranted?

Care to ellaborate on which aspects you believe are warrented? Hmm?

Bedsides how can it be warrented? Anto-semitism, like all brands of racism rely's on generalisations that do not stand up to scrutiny when applied at an individual level.

Any criticism you have of Jewish inidviduals immediatly lose credibility when you attempt to apply them in a broader spread, because you have undermined your evidence base by trying to use the actions of one or a few I(and even amonst that few these actions and the reasons behind them will differ) to the group.

You discredit yourself. Altho lets be fair its been going on for a while.

I don't believe in the destruction of races, whether white, hebreew, or black.

My hero.

But I do support nationalism. Semitism has been used far to often to gain political favors and money racketeering.

conspiracy! conspiracy! Raceterring? The Jew as a money lender and international criminal? Its...almost as if i have heard this before.

Plus, surely semitsim is a form of nationalism, which you support? Its almost as if you are, hmm, crazy, eh?

That is why the holocaust has become nig business for Jews.

Yeah, 'they' probably planned it all along eh? Your generalisation marks you once more for the racist you are.

My name is Primce, and i am funky.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 10:11 pm

Best First wrote:Care to ellaborate on which aspects you believe are warrented? Hmm?

Not Jewish propaganda. And holocaust revisionists should not be locked up.

Bedsides how can it be warrented? Anto-semitism, like all brands of racism rely's on generalisations that do not stand up to scrutiny when applied at an individual level.

I understand that! It still does not excuse their leaders and such for promoting falsehoods.

Any criticism you have of Jewish inidviduals immediatly lose credibility when you attempt to apply them in a broader spread, because you have undermined your evidence base by trying to use the actions of one or a few I(and even amonst that few these actions and the reasons behind them will differ) to the group.

Im talking about idealogy not individuals. Even some Jews have investigated the doubts of teh holocaust. Surely that does not mean every Jew deny's the holocaust.

conspiracy! conspiracy! Raceterring? The Jew as a money lender and international criminal? Its...almost as if i have heard this before.

Why does Germany and the US give them money that they do not need? Also why cash in on a tragedy? What will that accomplish? Where are the 20 million dead Russians compensation? Or anybody that died in WW2?

Plus, surely semitsim is a form of nationalism, which you support? Its almost as if you are, hmm, crazy, eh?

Not when the semitist propaganda supports multiculturalism.

Yeah, 'they' probably planned it all along eh? Your generalisation marks you once more for the racist you are.

My name is Primce, and i am funky.

So you discredit the historical revisionists with no proof?

And before you reply can you at least give me the courtesy of telling my what political viewpoint you claim.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 10:14 pm

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 10:31 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Best First wrote:Care to ellaborate on which aspects you believe are warrented? Hmm?
Jewish propaganda.

what the [composite word including 'f*ck'] does that mean?

The aspect of anti-semitism that is warrented is Jewish Propoganda.

Speak sane mate, it helps no end. Or is this your tactic? Fingered as a racist, better talk mad speak!

Bedsides how can it be warrented? Anto-semitism, like all brands of racism rely's on generalisations that do not stand up to scrutiny when applied at an individual level.
I understand that! It still does not excuse their leaders and such for promoting falsehoods.

Doesn't excuse anyone proting falsehoods, but that does not justify supporting anti-semitism. Personally i find many of the policies and actions of israel abhorant but i would never be stupid/prejudiced enough to connect the actions of a country to a group of people identfied by a certain set of characteristics.

Any criticism you have of Jewish inidviduals immediatly lose credibility when you attempt to apply them in a broader spread, because you have undermined your evidence base by trying to use the actions of one or a few I(and even amonst that few these actions and the reasons behind them will differ) to the group.
Im talking about idealogy not individuals.

No you are talking about supporting racism.

Even some Jews have investigated the doubts of teh holocaust. Surely that does not mean every Jew deny's the holocaust.

Not to me it doesn't mate, hence my carefully constructed point about the dangers of generalisations - but then i'm not the one chucking round terms like 'the holocuast has been big business for the Jews'.

So don't try and turn this around on me sunshine, because i'm not the one opening myself up to accusatrions of racism with my every word.

conspiracy! conspiracy! Raceterring? The Jew as a money lender and international criminal? Its...almost as if i have heard this before.
Why does Germany and the US give them money that they do not need?

And here we are again. Who is 'them'? Neither the US nor German governments pay money to all Jewish people on the planet, and if they did i'm sure some of them need it very much.

If in the case of the US you are reffering to the amount of money they funnel towards Israel again this is some shady ass **** in my opinion but it is a matter between nations not between the US and 'The Jews'. Additionally it seems to me rather obvious that the USs reason for wanting to maintain a well armed Western friendly presence in the Middle East have very little to do with the needs of Israel of rembering the Holocaust and everything to do with the tactical and political interests of the US.

So essentially you are taking rather normal polictical events and attempting to weave them into a racist conspiracy. You aren't doing a very good job i am afraid.

Also why cash in on a tragedy? What will that accomplish?

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Gets you money i suspect. However the notion that US funds to Israel is 'The Jews' cashing in on a tragedy contains no logic whatsoever, as explained above.

Where are the 20 million dead Russians compensation? Or anybody that died in WW2?

i thought you didn't want people cashing in on tragedy? If you want compensation for them campaign for that rather than using it as a flimsey excuse to indulge in racism.

Plus, surely semitsim is a form of nationalism, which you support? Its almost as if you are, hmm, crazy, eh?
Not when the semitist propaganda supports multiculturalism.

The semitist propoganda!

And who is behind this propoganda?

'The Jews'? Booga Booga Booga!

And these are the same people who support Zionism yes? Zionism and multiculturalsim. yep, makes a whole bucket of sense.

Yeah, 'they' probably planned it all along eh? Your generalisation marks you once more for the racist you are.

My name is Primce, and i am funky.

So you discredit the historical revisionists with no proof?[/quote]

no i discredit racist little bitches like you who try and hide behind tricks of language whilst continuing to promote their empty hate fuelled agendas.

Big of you to admit you have no proof though. Badda bing!

And before you reply can you at least give me the courtesy of telling my what political viewpoint you claim.

My name is Prince and i am funky. ****ing irrelevant, like most opf your BS when you realise you have been nailed for what you are.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:08 pm

Best First wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Best First wrote:Care to ellaborate on which aspects you believe are warrented? Hmm?
Jewish propaganda.
what the **** does that mean?

That was a typo.

The aspect of anti-semitism that is warrented is Jewish Propoganda.

Speak sane mate, it helps no end. Or is this your tactic? Fingered as a racist, better talk mad speak!

Anti semitism is a political vehicle used to gain sympathy for Israel over Palestine. I don't agree with that.

Doesn't excuse anyone proting falsehoods, but that does not justify supporting anti-semitism. Personally i find many of the policies and actions of israel abhorant but i would never be stupid/prejudiced enough to connect the actions of a country to a group of people identfied by a certain set of characteristics.

If they obey the customs and traditions of that culture then they are just as guilty.

No you are talking about supporting racism.

Define racism.

Not to me it doesn't mate, hence my carefully constructed point about the dangers of generalisations - but then i'm not the one chucking round terms like 'the holocuast has been big business for the Jews'.

Certain members of the Jewish community have bennefitted form the holocaust financially.

So don't try and turn this around on me sunshine, because i'm not the one opening myself up to accusatrions of racism with my every word.

I'm not accussing anyone of racism.

And here we are again. Who is 'them'? Neither the US nor German governments pay money to all Jewish people on the planet, and if they did i'm sure some of them need it very much.

I was reffering to Israel. But why should governments dish out handouts for a select group of people and turn their backs on another? Isn't that racism?

If in the case of the US you are reffering to the amount of money they funnel towards Israel again this is some shady ass **** in my opinion but it is a matter between nations not between the US and 'The Jews'. Additionally it seems to me rather obvious that the USs reason for wanting to maintain a well armed Western friendly presence in the Middle East have very little to do with the needs of Israel of rembering the Holocaust and everything to do with the tactical and political interests of the US.

Which is to create a multiculturalist new world order?

So essentially you are taking rather normal polictical events and attempting to weave them into a racist conspiracy. You aren't doing a very good job i am afraid.

Thats because I'm not promoting a racist conspiracy.

i thought you didn't want people cashing in on tragedy? If you want compensation for them campaign for that rather than using it as a flimsey excuse to indulge in racism.

So it's ok to give money to one group and not the other? Isn't that racism?

The semitist propoganda!

And who is behind this propoganda?

'The Jews'? Booga Booga Booga!

Whoever promotes multiculturalism. It can be any one.

And these are the same people who support Zionism yes? Zionism and multiculturalsim. yep, makes a whole bucket of sense.

I don't think the zionists want anyone Palestineans in Isreal.

no i discredit racist little bitches like you who try and hide behind tricks of language whilst continuing to promote their empty hate fuelled agendas.

What agenda would that be?

Big of you to admit you have no proof though. Badda bing!

You can start here if you want to learn more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

My name is Prince and i am funky. ****ing irrelevant, like most opf your BS when you realise you have been nailed for what you are.

I just wanted to find out your political viewpoint. Why is that such a big deal?

Redstreak · Post by **Redstreak** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:19 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Best First wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote: Jewish propaganda.
what the **** does that mean?
That was a typo.

The aspect of anti-semitism that is warrented is Jewish Propoganda.

Speak sane mate, it helps no end. Or is this your tactic? Fingered as a racist, better talk mad speak!
Anti semitism is a political vehicle used to gain sympathy for Israel over Palestine. I don't agree with that.

What in the fresh hell are you talking about? Do you have any idea whatsoever how ignorant of a statement that is? Anti-Semitism is no more a political vehicle than racism. Making accusations thereto is one thing, but the principle itself is not. Though I'm sure Bobby Fischer sees and agrees with your logic.

As a Jew, I, however, do not, and am seeing your statements here as very ignorant, idiotic, and insensitive. Especially that crackback about the Holocaust. How dare you, man. How dare you say that kind of ****. Do you have any idea whatsoever just what you're cracking on? Goddamn it.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:27 pm

Redstreak wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Best First wrote: what the **** does that mean?
That was a typo.

The aspect of anti-semitism that is warrented is Jewish Propoganda.

Speak sane mate, it helps no end. Or is this your tactic? Fingered as a racist, better talk mad speak!

Anti semitism is a political vehicle used to gain sympathy for Israel over Palestine. I don't agree with that.
What in the fresh hell are you talking about? Do you have any idea whatsoever how ignorant of a statement that is? Anti-Semitism is no more a political vehicle than racism. Making accusations thereto is one thing, but the principle itself is not. Though I'm sure Bobby Fischer sees and agrees with your logic.

As a Jew, I, however, do not, and am seeing your statements here as very ignorant, idiotic, and insensitive. Especially that crackback about the Holocaust. How dare you, man. How dare you say that kind of ****. Do you have any idea whatsoever just what you're cracking on? Goddamn it.

Ok I didn't want to offend anybody least of all you Redstreaker. I consider you to be my friend and would not want to jeopardize that kind of relationship over a belief, no matter how radical. So I think we should just lock this thread now.

Post by **Best First** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:34 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
Best First wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote: Jewish propaganda.
what the **** does that mean?
That was a typo.

Your updated comment makes no more sense. Look at the shock on my face.

The aspect of anti-semitism that is warrented is Jewish Propoganda.

Speak sane mate, it helps no end. Or is this your tactic? Fingered as a racist, better talk mad speak!
Anti semitism is a political vehicle used to gain sympathy for Israel over Palestine. I don't agree with that.

Not agreeing with using accusations of racism to try and engender support or silence critisicm in no way lends justification to 'supporting aspects of anti-semitsim. Again, simple.

Doesn't excuse anyone proting falsehoods, but that does not justify supporting anti-semitism. Personally i find many of the policies and actions of israel abhorant but i would never be stupid/prejudiced enough to connect the actions of a country to a group of people identfied by a certain set of characteristics.
If they obey the customs and traditions of that culture then they are just as guilty.

Fingered! So, if someone from my culture does something bad because they we share a culture i am equally guilty?

You racist little sh**. Banning you once i have finished typing this by the way.

No you are talking about supporting racism.
Define racism.

prejudice based on a group of shared racial or cultural charachteristics. e.g Ultimate Weapon's attitude toward the Jews.

Note, attitude not tolerated at Transfans.net

Not to me it doesn't mate, hence my carefully constructed point about the dangers of generalisations - but then i'm not the one chucking round terms like 'the holocuast has been big business for the Jews'.
Certain members of the Jewish community have bennefitted form the holocaust financially.

So? That in no way justifies your original RACIST statement.

So don't try and turn this around on me sunshine, because i'm not the one opening myself up to accusatrions of racism with my every word.
I'm not accussing anyone of racism.

I am tho! you. see?

And here we are again. Who is 'them'? Neither the US nor German governments pay money to all Jewish people on the planet, and if they did i'm sure some of them need it very much.
I was reffering to Israel. But why should governments dish out handouts for a select group of people and turn their backs on another? Isn't that racism?

Doesn't justify your prejudice against the Jews though does it? That is what we call a Red Herring people. You may find this useful in arguements when trying to avoid being nailed for being a big smelly racist.

If in the case of the US you are reffering to the amount of money they funnel towards Israel again this is some shady ass **** in my opinion but it is a matter between nations not between the US and 'The Jews'. Additionally it seems to me rather obvious that the USs reason for wanting to maintain a well armed Western friendly presence in the Middle East have very little to do with the needs of Israel of rembering the Holocaust and everything to do with the tactical and political interests of the US.
Which is to create a multiculturalist new world order?

Which is i am insane the voices the voices mummy.

yeah, totally dude.

So essentially you are taking rather normal polictical events and attempting to weave them into a racist conspiracy. You aren't doing a very good job i am afraid.
Thats because I'm not promoting a racist conspiracy.

no, not at all Mr New World Order.

i thought you didn't want people cashing in on tragedy? If you want compensation for them campaign for that rather than using it as a flimsey excuse to indulge in racism.
So it's ok to give money to one group and not the other? Isn't that racism?

Where do i say that? Answer the point. oh except you can't because:

a) You cannot justify your racism on rational grounds
b) your banned! hee!

The semitist propoganda!

And who is behind this propoganda?

'The Jews'? Booga Booga Booga!
Whoever promotes multiculturalism. It can be any one.

ah, the terror of cultures existing side by side. Booga Booga Booga!

And these are the same people who support Zionism yes? Zionism and multiculturalsim. yep, makes a whole bucket of sense.
I don't think the zionists want anyone Palestineans in Isreal.

But they are big on mulitculturalism right? i see, i see.

no i discredit racist little bitches like you who try and hide behind tricks of language whilst continuing to promote their empty hate fuelled agendas.
What agenda would that be?

attempting to legitimise racism as far as i can tell.

Big of you to admit you have no proof though. Badda bing!
You can start here if you want to learn more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

ill start with me 2 degrees in history and have worked with some of the world's leading experts on facism, anti-semitism and Nazism thanks. That and being possesed of some commen sense. Another nice attempt at diversionary ******** by the way.

My name is Prince and i am funky. ****ing irrelevant, like most opf your BS when you realise you have been nailed for what you are.

I just wanted to find out your political viewpoint. Why is that such a big deal?[/quote]

my political viewpoint is my political viewpoint.

my transfans viewpoint is... baaaaaanned mother****er.

c*nt.

Post by **Denyer** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:35 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:You can start here if you want to learn more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Put your hand up if you've actually seen the remains of camps.

Pretty good link in there, incidentally:

http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/revisionism.html

Professor Smooth · Post by **Professor Smooth** » Thu May 05, 2005 3:02 am

Where's Snarlos when we need him to pop in, say "You're a ****, mate." then walk out like nothing happened? I'd do it, but I can't pull it off.

Post by **Kaylee** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:59 am

Thus it ended the only way it could. Can't say I'm sorry to see it tho. Nicely done, Paul ^_^

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:10 am

Cheers, altho i wish i had access to that link Stu posted a bit sooner, its more or less perfect...

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Thu May 05, 2005 7:02 pm

Well done mate

I'm glad you kept it open and laid the smackdown while opening him up totally. Great arguements. i can't approach those levels on that subject.

*Faith in humanity restored*

Also, nice to see somebody actually make use of their degree after the're graduation

Post by **Best First** » Thu May 05, 2005 7:26 pm

to be honestthe majoriy of it is just using common sense to break the arguements down and expoe what i think most people suspected where behind them.

Being a provocative bastard helps as well...

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:29 pm

Best First wrote:
Being a provocative bastard helps as well...

Is it wrong that the first mental image I had regarding that statement was you in womens underwear?

C'mere Freud...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:58 pm

Damm Stu's link is brillant.

What does my head in more that UW actually belives what hes saying, i asked on page 2 I belive

Are you a Nazi? do you dislike black,jewish ppl etc..

Never got an answer, but its still scary!

Redstreak · Post by **Redstreak** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:54 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:Thus it ended the only way it could. Can't say I'm sorry to see it tho. Nicely done, Paul ^_^

Y'know after reading that post that got me riled, I went back to the beginning and I still can't even figure how this wound up going down this path.

I gotta say I gained some faith in humanity from some of the stuff you guys said. Nicely done by all.

For my part, I'm not a grudge-holding guy, especially since it appears at least one part my life may have turned the corner since last Tuesday, that being the fact that I'm now seeing this incredible chick who's got the absolute hots for me(that'll do it, eh? lol), so I don't hold this against UW other than him simply being misguided. If it were to come up as to whether he were to be unbanninated at some point, I would not object.

Pissin' Poonani · Post by **Pissin' Poonani** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:22 am

Redstreak wrote: that being the fact that I'm now seeing this incredible chick who's got the absolute hots for me

Sweeeeeeettttttttttttttt.

When's the book out, dude?

Redstreak · Post by **Redstreak** » Fri May 06, 2005 3:15 am

Don't know yet, but it's possible to be before the end of the year. The edits are ongoing at this time, with a ballpark of July/August before they finish the first half and send it to me for review. If the second half is as strong as I think it is, things should be on schedule for them to kick it into gear not long after.

Jetfire · Post by **Jetfire** » Sun May 15, 2005 3:43 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Damm Stu's link is brillant.

What does my head in more that UW actually belives what hes saying, i asked on page 2 I belive

Are you a Nazi? do you dislike black,jewish ppl etc..

Never got an answer, but its still scary!

Indeed it is. UM is starting the same s### over at the archive.

But still a brill link form Stu now I've fully read it and nicely accurate too. It's like it was written with UM in mind. Which sadly probably means there are many more elsewhere.
Funny thing on the archive today is UM has clashed with very agressive muslim who thinks the west are still planning crusades to destroy Islam, that we all secretly want his destruction and that all none muslins are "Wrong". Mind set very fixed in 13th century methinks. If only we could lock them in a room together.