Dr Who episodes!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:35 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Legion wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:I thought the scenes leading up to the regen were nowhere near as powerful as the closing ones of Logopolis or Caves (or even Parting of the Ways) tho the Pert's last words were sweet.
Really? I thought the build up to the actual regen in Logopolis are a bit weak imho, apart from the doc letting go of the cable and plummeting to his doom, the dialogue is a bit weak "this is the end, but the moment has been prepared for"...
You know, I always thought that he didn't seem to be making much of an effort to hang on - he just sort of, well, let go.

Totally! He's hanging on fine then decides to let go. Either Tom (and the director) really couldn't be arsed or the Doc killed himself.

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:22 pm

Legion wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Legion wrote: Really? I thought the build up to the actual regen in Logopolis are a bit weak imho, apart from the doc letting go of the cable and plummeting to his doom, the dialogue is a bit weak "this is the end, but the moment has been prepared for"...
You know, I always thought that he didn't seem to be making much of an effort to hang on - he just sort of, well, let go.
Totally! He's hanging on fine then decides to let go. Either Tom (and the director) really couldn't be arsed or the Doc killed himself.

So we have a suicidal Doctor. Maybe it was a reaction to having met Adric?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:23 am

Bouncelot wrote:
Legion wrote:
Bouncelot wrote: You know, I always thought that he didn't seem to be making much of an effort to hang on - he just sort of, well, let go.
Totally! He's hanging on fine then decides to let go. Either Tom (and the director) really couldn't be arsed or the Doc killed himself.
So we have a suicidal Doctor. Maybe it was a reaction to having met Adric?

Now that does makes sense!!

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:49 am

Legion wrote:
Bouncelot wrote:
Legion wrote: Totally! He's hanging on fine then decides to let go. Either Tom (and the director) really couldn't be arsed or the Doc killed himself.
So we have a suicidal Doctor. Maybe it was a reaction to having met Adric?
Now that does makes sense!!

Poor Doctor. First Adric sneaks aboard the TARDIS, then Romana decides to leave him to stay in another universe with a bloke she's only just met (though she does take K9 with her), and then the Master reappears, and then he's saddled with Tegan as well. No wonder he's feeling morose and suicidal. Still, at least he regenerates into a form that's got the patience to handle being saddled with those two.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:43 am

Bouncelot wrote:
Legion wrote:
Bouncelot wrote: So we have a suicidal Doctor. Maybe it was a reaction to having met Adric?
Now that does makes sense!!
Poor Doctor. First Adric sneaks aboard the TARDIS, then Romana decides to leave him to stay in another universe with a bloke she's only just met (though she does take K9 with her), and then the Master reappears, and then he's saddled with Tegan as well. No wonder he's feeling morose and suicidal. Still, at least he regenerates into a form that's got the patience to handle being saddled with those two.

Not for long, in his first season he bumps off Adric and deliberately leaves Tegan behind whilst he elopes with Nyssa!

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:36 pm

Just seen Warrior's Gate, IMO its pretty good, but not as good as the rest of the E Space trilogy.

Good direction tho, interesting story, tho Romana's exit was rather sudden.

But I do think Season 18 is one of the most consistent seasons. I'd put it in the top 5. Some of Tom's best acting methinks ("Not an alibi Deciders!!!!" etc.)

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:32 pm

I'd say the Doctor definately deliberately let go... Because having meet the Watcher he knows he has to die here rather than save himself. Or somthing like that... What really lets his final moments down is the obviously studio bound nature of the grassy knoll he lands on (though I suppose it was necessery as if they'd used a realy field it would have been obvious the supposedly straight after opening scene of Castrovalva was filmed at a different time of year).

Well, actually, the Cybermen stole them and did a deal to return them in exchange for RTD's soul. You heard it here first.

So, a overtly camp and emotional gay stereotype would need RTD's soul for what purpose exactly?

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:12 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:
Well, actually, the Cybermen stole them and did a deal to return them in exchange for RTD's soul. You heard it here first.
So, a overtly camp and emotional gay stereotype would need RTD's soul for what purpose exactly?

To ensure that they finally beat the Doctor in the new series, of course/

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:53 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:I'd say the Doctor definately deliberately let go... Because having meet the Watcher he knows he has to die here rather than save himself.

Was it the Watcher that helped him land in such a comfortable (and totally non physcially smashed) position?

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:55 pm

Legion wrote:
inflatable dalek wrote:I'd say the Doctor definately deliberately let go... Because having meet the Watcher he knows he has to die here rather than save himself.
Was it the Watcher that helped him land in such a comfortable (and totally non physcially smashed) position?

That was down to his Time Lord powers...

One of the best silly bits in The Paradise of Death has the Doctor surviving a similar fall as if it was nothing to him... Pertwee is harder than Baker!

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:30 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:Pertwee is harder than Baker!

Heheh, it was his cape that saved him, he used it to glide down to safety.

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:20 pm

Legion wrote:
inflatable dalek wrote:Pertwee is harder than Baker!
Heheh, it was his cape that saved him, he used it to glide down to safety.

He landed on his boufont...

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:12 pm

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:55 pm

I preferred his hair in the earlier episodes. A bit more Bond, a bit less David Dickinson.

What the hell happened?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:05 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:I preferred his hair in the earlier episodes. A bit more Bond, a bit less David Dickinson.

What the hell happened?

Jo's skirts.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:11 pm

Sooooo... best looking companion?

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:43 pm

Lalla Ward.

Though I have time for Peri's tits and Zoe's bum... And who can forget Ace's stocking flashing?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:02 pm

argh can't decide!
i'd have to say either Peri or Romana2 or Victoria or Jo... Tegan was a looker too, but quite irritating at times... Rose ain't too bad either as long as she doesn't speak either!

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:22 pm

There was an... interesting... photo of Billie (Pipper that is, not Hartnel..) in a schoolgirl uniform (not from when she was an actual schoolgirl... When she played one on BBC3 last year, so it's all technically legal...) in the new DWM.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:10 am

I'd go for SJS and Romana I.

Now that I've got that out my system...

What do you think of Season 18? (I'm doing a mini marathon at the mo - seasons 18 to 26, JNT years basically).

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:34 am

I love it. But I seem to be one of the very few people who enjoys both that and the preceeding series 17 equally... Usually you have to hate one and love the other. I'd say Full Circle is my favorite, despite Adric...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:52 am

Full's Circle's wicked. The ones directed by Peter Grimwade seem to be good 'uns.

Strangely, Adric seems to be better in the Tom stories, no?

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:15 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:Lalla Ward.

Tak. Bardzo piękna.

Still pretty good looking now...

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:19 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Full's Circle's wicked. The ones directed by Peter Grimwade seem to be good 'uns.

The ones he wrote on the other hand...

Nicola Bryiant has aged marveolusly as well.

There's two new Who guides out for Christmas, one a BFI book by Kim Newman which basically says all Doctor Who made after 1977 is crap, one by Andrew Cartmel which says that all Who before Andrew Cartmel is crap...

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:28 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:
spiderfrommars wrote:Full's Circle's wicked. The ones directed by Peter Grimwade seem to be good 'uns.
The ones he wrote on the other hand...

Nicola Bryiant has aged marveolusly as well.

There's two new Who guides out for Christmas, one a BFI book by Kim Newman which basically says all Doctor Who made after 1977 is crap, one by Andrew Cartmel which says that all Who before Andrew Cartmel is crap...

Well, at least they agree that stuff between 1977 and 1987 is crap. I doubt I'll get either of them. Mad Norwegian's forthcoming About Time 1 covering seasons 1-3 of the classic series and Lance Parkin's revised AHistory of the Universe which should hopefully be appearing somewhen in the next few weeks are must-haves for the Who fan, though.

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:39 am

The Christmas Invasion ads look absolutely amazing.

I have complete faith in Tennant.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:00 am

What's the deal with them calling the Ecclestone DVDs "series 1"?

Surely everybody with the faintest idea what Who is knows that there was oodles of years worth of stuff prior to it?

Whassupwiddat?

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:06 pm

Brendocon wrote:What's the deal with them calling the Ecclestone DVDs "series 1"?

Is this "Ecclestone" related to Chris Eccleston, by any chance?

Surely everybody with the faintest idea what Who is knows that there was oodles of years worth of stuff prior to it?

Whassupwiddat?

'TIs a relaunch thing. The kids new to Who don't get confused by "Season 27". The fans don't have to ditch the extra seasons used by some to divide up the post-Series novels and audios, and we don't have to worry about what season the 96 TV Movie falls into.

And the term "series" distinugishes it from the classic series seasons, which are usually referred to as a "season" rather than a "series".

inflatable dalek · Post by **inflatable dalek** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:29 pm

Bouncelot wrote:
Brendocon wrote:And the term "series" distinugishes it from the classic series seasons, which are usually referred to as a "season" rather than a "series".

Only fans tend to refer to them as seasons... "Series" Is the correct term as far as British TV goes (Season being an Americanism), certainly the Radio Times would have advertised Terror of the Autons as a New Series!, and, say a Trial of a Timelord boxset would be The Complete Original 23rd Series! in advertising- Witness the wording on the Red Dwarf boxsets.

I susepct the real reason for calling the new show boxset Series One is to try and disguise the fact they don't do box sets for olde Who... (Incidently RTD consdiers it Series 27 at least).

Bouncelot · Post by **Bouncelot** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:48 pm

inflatable dalek wrote:I susepct the real reason for calling the new show boxset Series One is to try and disguise the fact they don't do box sets for olde Who... (Incidently RTD consdiers it Series 27 at least).

He does?

The only time I can think of him saying something like that is when he thought that fans would eventually end up calling it Season 27.