New Starwars Trailer

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:52 pm

******* brilliant!

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:13 pm

Darth Aux wrote:Sure, it's not the civilian stuff I'm talking about though.

What I'm trying to say is that Lucas has been lazy, look at the Empire (Not civillian, Rebel/Republic or Jedi) hardware. Now I know special effects have come a long way since 1975/6. The later Tie fighters look lower tech, because lucas has been lazy. He could have made an effort to get a retro feel to them.

The winning side would not fall so far behind for so long.

Have you played Knights of the Old Republic I or II, the Ebon Hawk is perfect as is the Harbinger. They have acheived the right mix of a pristeen (spelling?) looking ship, in comparison to the Milenium Falcon. But at the same time you can believe you know it's older tech than the Falcon. The same goes for Leia's ship at the begining of A New Hope, compared with the Harbinger the same applies.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:27 pm

ahh, kotor... love that game...

but anyway, isn't that meant to be set a couple of thousand years before EP1?? or have i just had a total brain fart?

fort_max · Post by **fort_max** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:48 pm

Jetfire wrote:
But rememebr this point. There isn't a single 'normal' fed planet visited in the original films. Hoth, endor were all tech low -places anyway.

Look at the cloud planet Bespin. That has loads of flying stuff in the background.

Exactly. Also, consider the fact that the majority of the vehicles you see belong to either the Rebellion or the Empire. Now, the Rebellion is making do on what they have, which is mostly old starfighters that they struggle to maintain. The Empire, on the other hand, has what may have once been considered the ultimate in military tech. However, years of ruling (effectively) unopposed have caused them to be fairly lax in R&D (Why bother making new and exciting weapons when you already have it better than everyone else?). It's only after the Rebellion becomes a real threat that they even build the Death Star.

bobaprime85 · Post by **bobaprime85** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:40 pm

fort_max wrote: It's only after the Rebellion becomes a real threat that they even build the Death Star.

That's not entirely true. From what I've seen, the Death Star was in the making for some time. In fact, I think Dooku grabbed the plans for it right before he tried to escape Geonosis in AOTC. Have to watch it again to make sure, though.

Of course, the fact that the DS was under construction may explain why the Empire was fairly laid back, since they probably thought that with the DS, they wouldn't have too much to worry about.

Of course, jboyler's point about North Korea also comes in handy.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:10 am

bobaprime85 wrote: That's not entirely true. From what I've seen, the Death Star was in the making for some time. In fact, I think Dooku grabbed the plans for it right before he tried to escape Geonosis in AOTC. Have to watch it again to make sure, though..

I saw it four days ago, and Yes. Dooku grabs the plans for the Death Star

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:09 am

Legion wrote:ahh, kotor... love that game...

but anyway, isn't that meant to be set a couple of thousand years before EP1?? or have i just had a total brain fart?

oh yeah, now that doesn't work either

. 50 - 100 years would've been nice, but a couple of thousand

. Damn time lines I hate them, why aren't people more careful when planning additions to a storyline, especially (arguably) the most famous in the World.

I'm gonna stop now, I surrender.

Bye (steals everyones coats), Hope it rains

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:59 am

it set like 20 years before EP4 (new hope)

as for tech in 20 Years alot can happen, look at the the empire in the space between EP2 & EP3

Also the planets we see in EP4 are supposed to be back water dives, because they were the best places to hide the twins, the middle of no where.

and someone mentionsed what about all the flying ships? well if u go and watch the new DVDs of the orginal SW set you will see Lucas added in lots of citys with flying things.

For me your just seeing some of the more advanced areas of the galaxys, but I would have liked to have seen some real locations myself, ppl dont like ewoks, but theres somthing warm to me about Endor, or those real deserts of tattoie - and even the ice plains of Hoth have certain splendor.

these busy citys dont add the same atmophere.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:38 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:theres somthing warm to me about Endor, or those real deserts of tattoie - and even the ice plains of Hoth have certain splendor.

these busy citys dont add the same atmophere.

yup, agreed! look at something like that planet in Ep2 ... umm... Genosis was it? very grand looking, good special effects... ultimately fake though, lacked an 'atmosphere' as you put it... Tatooine, Hoth, Endor... real locations, had atmosphere.
Shall wait to see what the volcanic planet feels like in ep3...

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:00 pm

Lucas once said he'd ran out of locations after the first trilogy. He'd shot in a desert, in the snow, in a forest.

Don't quite buy that myself though.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:23 pm

smells like BS to me.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:25 pm

Best First wrote:smells like BS to me.

sorry that was me. Burritos for dinner and all..

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:41 pm

spiderfrommars wrote:Lucas once said he'd ran out of locations after the first trilogy. He'd shot in a desert, in the snow, in a forest.

Don't quite buy that myself though.

I've heard that quote too... it's a quite interesting that every planet in the Star Wars galaxy apparently has a unique environment... Endor's a forest? No more trees in any of the new films? Hoth is snowy... no cold planets... bah that's just a lame excuse and everyone knows it...

fort_max · Post by **fort_max** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:44 pm

bobaprime85 wrote:
That's not entirely true. From what I've seen, the Death Star was in the making for some time. In fact, I think Dooku grabbed the plans for it right before he tried to escape Geonosis in AOTC. Have to watch it again to make sure, though.

It's only after the Rebellion becomes a real threat that they even build the Death Star.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:47 pm

they didnt build the death star just for the rebellion tho did they?
I thought they were building one just because it was cool and squash planets.
they tested it on the rebellion.

jboyler · Post by **jboyler** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:49 pm

Lucas once said he'd ran out of locations after the first trilogy. He'd shot in a desert, in the snow, in a forest.

This is just Lucas being lazy. Making an entire planet a single environment just makes it easier to design and film, but it's very unrealistic. Look at Earth: it has all the different environments contained on a single planet. It makes sense to me that other planets would have more than one environment, in addition to environments that we haven't even thought of yet.

Check out Titan: the place rains liquid methane, has ice instead of stone, and has geysers of ammonia instead of lava. Now *THAT* would be a cool planet to film a story on.

fort_max · Post by **fort_max** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:38 pm

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:they didnt build the death star just for the rebellion tho did they?

It's the only reason I can think of that they would build it. They've had the plans since Episode II, yet they wait until A New Hope to build it? It obviously can't have taken the entire time to build the sucker, since they've got a nearly completed one by the end of Return of the Jedi, so I'm just going on what's there. Rebellion's gaining a little bit of steam, Empire needs a way to keep everybody in line, Empire uses plans for huge battle station that they've been sitting on for twenty years. Makes more sense than the alternative.

Darth Aux · Post by **Darth Aux** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:29 pm

Perhaps they staggered the construction.

bobaprime85 · Post by **bobaprime85** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:58 pm

fort_max wrote:
Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:they didnt build the death star just for the rebellion tho did they?
It's the only reason I can think of that they would build it. They've had the plans since Episode II, yet they wait until A New Hope to build it? It obviously can't have taken the entire time to build the sucker, since they've got a nearly completed one by the end of Return of the Jedi, so I'm just going on what's there. Rebellion's gaining a little bit of steam, Empire needs a way to keep everybody in line, Empire uses plans for huge battle station that they've been sitting on for twenty years. Makes more sense than the alternative.

But, doesn't the dialogue in AOTC say something along the lines of "If the Republic finds out what we are planning to build, they would hunt us down." Or something to that effect? Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. Anyway, I hardly think that they would bother to create such a thing just to deal with the Rebellion, since the only real victory the Rebellion had was shortly before New Hope. I find it hard to believe the Rebels could become that big a threat so quickly. I'm not sure what the official time lapse is between New Hope and ROTJ, but it seems as if there was a five-year lapse, last I looked, but there would still have to be some outside force causing Palpatine to hold off construction on something he's had planned for a good, long while. Maybe he wanted to wait until he could be sure that the dissolution of the senate would be something he could get away with before beginning construction, and that would put it in a time frame of five years before New Hope.

Sorry if the above didn't make too much sense, not quite being clear today.

fort_max · Post by **fort_max** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:50 pm

My thinking is this...

In any empire, there is going to be dissent. People are going to get together and talk about what they should do to bring the establishment down. Very rarely does that go anywhere. The Rebellion, however, kept growing. Once it was clear that they could one day pose a problem, it became necessary to make a serious show of force (hence, the Death Star). The plans had been around for a long time, but the Empire hadn't really had any reason to build it. Plus, the money necessary to build it would be better served elsewhere (like creating more crap clones).

As for the lines at the end of Attack of the Clones, wasn't that random Trade Federation person?

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:37 am

I've just finished watching the old trilogy, and the two new movies.

"Dude! Anakin's girlfriend just gave birth to two kids."
"Oh noes, we must hide them from him!"
"Yes. The girl... lets give her a completley new name... Leia Organa! That's it. And lets hide her away and make her a ******* princess. Booya!"
"What about the boy?"
"Meh... just name him Luke Skywalker and place him with his uncle, Anakins half brother. You know, the same place that Anakin's mother lived at. Oh, Anakin's mother is also buried there."

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:28 am

Yeah, but he hates tatooine - it would remind him of his past before being Vadar, so its not that bad a plan.

Hmm - i still can't reconcile that whiney guy (Anakin, not luke) turning into Vadar. Vadar is cool and menacing - Anakin is a bit of a bell.

As for the Death Star - i think they would have built in anyway - lets face it, your an evil dude in charge of the whole gaalxy and someone says we can make something to blow up planets, what? you're gonna say no?

**** it. ill take two.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:33 am

the amount of work required to build a death star

surely you could build a freaking huge fleet of star destroyers to cover inch of the galaxy.

Its odd because the comic portray it very differently, the Empres war with the rebellion is like a small corner of 'thier' galaxy - suggesting the rebllion are only a small threat.

in the films of course they show lots of planets of cheering the destruction (how do they know about it tho?) of the DS, suggesting its a big thing in the 'galaxy' or they are just local systems...

bah - feck knows then

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:39 am

Best First wrote:Yeah, but he hates tatooine - it would remind him of his past before being Vadar, so its not that bad a plan.

Hmm - i still can't reconcile that whiney guy (Anakin, not luke) turning into Vadar. Vadar is cool and menacing - Anakin is a bit of a bell.

You've got a point there

I've been watching the five Star Wars movies for the last five days - and it's really hard to see that Anakin will turn into Darth Vader.
As you say: Anakin whines, etc. Darth is Mr. Cool.
Darth Vader also follows instructions without hesitation - Anakin on the other hand is a [composite word including 'f*ck'].
At least it really makes you feel that Anakin and Vader are two completley different personalitys (allthough there's TOO much of a difference I think. At least for the moment).

Oh, I saw the Yoda, Kenobi and Anakin ghost-scene yesterday for the first time (with Hayden Christiansen).
My god... Hayden really doesnt fit in there.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:41 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:the amount of work required to build a death star surely you could build a freaking huge fleet of star destroyers to cover inch of the galaxy.

Ok. He's evil, and what's more, he is a boy. That's like telling rich guy he could have bought 10 Ford Focus's instead of one Porche.

As an aside - how ****ing annoying are those Ford Focus Adverts?

Back on topic - the best advice Yoda and Obi Wan could give Luke is 'don't underestimate the Emporer'? How about warning him he can shoot freaking lightning from his finger tips? Its not like they didn't know.

"Hey, Yoda, shall we warn Luke that despite his appearence as a frail old man the Emporer is in fact a badass Sith who can fry your arse with a click of his fingers?"

"Mmm, no, mmm"

"Why?"

"mmm, when 500 years old look this good you will not, mmm"

Christ. ****ing Jedi.

Obfleur · Post by **Obfleur** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:43 am

I really like the old movies despite their flaws. They are really entertaining, and the chemistry between the actors is great.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:02 am

its all about Han-Solo and the Droids... and the Black and White JPN flick 7th Samuri of course...

I wonder when the emp stopped using a lightsabre? (as he will be in EP3)

Post by **spiderfrommars** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:45 am

Obfleur wrote: Oh, I saw the Yoda, Kenobi and Anakin ghost-scene yesterday for the first time (with Hayden Christiansen).
My god... Hayden really doesnt fit in there.

Agreed.

I'm still gutted about it. I mean yes, its clever, but it takes you right out of the scene. The old one was a very moving piece of cinema for me. When old Anakin smiled warmly... *sniff*

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:55 am

spiderfrommars wrote:
Obfleur wrote: Oh, I saw the Yoda, Kenobi and Anakin ghost-scene yesterday for the first time (with Hayden Christiansen).
My god... Hayden really doesnt fit in there.
Agreed. I'm still gutted about it. I mean yes, its clever, but it takes you right out of the scene. The old one was a very moving piece of cinema for me. When old Anakin smiled warmly... *sniff*

It also just doesn't make sense... if Anakin has regressed to how he looked when he was younder, why hasn't Obi-Wan? Don't give me the bollocks answer that it is because it was how he looked when he was on the Light Side... five minutes earlier he'd just turned away from the Dark Side, killed the Emperor and redeemed himself... if that isn't the Light Side, i don't know what is...

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:35 pm

you could go really deep with this - I mean sure he had just done as you said, but he was more man than machine now, perhaps you choose the image you wish others to percive you as?

maybe he felt as young Anakin, that was his true self, not the machine f death that is Vader...

*cough* BS *cough*