Fray (for Buffy fans)

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:18 pm

In case anyone didn't read it, Fray is awesome. I just discovered it. So cool. About a Slayer 100 years or so in the future. Does anyone know if there will be an ongoing series?

KingMob · Post by **KingMob** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:38 pm

Fray. Good series. Is it collected now?
I picked it up as it came out...IIRC there was like something like a year's wait in between issues 6 and 7, which obv hurt the interest...and I read it before I saw the end of Buffy (did it come out before Buffy ended? Can't remember.) so things like the Slayer Axe O' Doom turning up in the show rocked.

No continuing series, at least for a while. I think I'm right in saying that Whedon said he wants to revist Fray sometime, but doesn't have it scheduled. In fact, the only comic I def know he's doing is another 12 issues of Astonishing X-Men.

Art is good in Fray...Karl Moline, innit?. Haven't seen him do anything else though...

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:42 pm

Isn't that Whedon fella working on a comic-version of that FireFly thing? I believe I read something of the sort at Newsarama.

(I only lurk, I don't post at Newsa, cause sometimes when I read the posts over there my body & head go numb...f*cking DC-Zombies...)

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:48 am

I thought Fray was enjoyable, but ultimately rather formulaic (the whole "evil sibling thing" has been done so many times before... plus it's biologically illogical). Still, better than most comics.

Post by **Best First** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:17 pm

i really liked it. a lot of whedon's stuff is quite formulaic but he does it with such polish and verve and relishes in the human aspect of it all.

The Slayer weapon turning up there first was a real gem as well.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:21 pm

Best First wrote:The Slayer weapon turning up there first was a real gem as well.

Yeah, that was quality. Without Fray, its appearance is just "oh, look - it's a conveniently appearing magic mcguffin that solves everything, two episodes from the end."

But with Fray, it's "no - look, it's been around a couple of years, mate."

Quality.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:44 pm

IT was so good I didn't notice any formula.
Firefly comics? I must know.

Apparently I'm several years late on all things Whedon-related, except AXM. I'm onky halfway through Season 5 on DVD ( a marked improvement over Season 4).

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:49 pm

I have issues with the whole "evil sibling who you thought was dead but really isn't" thing. I've seen it in far too many places to think of it as anything other than unimaginative.

Not that Joss' take on it wasn't enjoyable, I just have an immediate reaction of "oh, joy. this."

Episode by episode, I like season 4 of BtVS. Okay, it doesn't have a whole lot of direction overall, but neither did the characters. They were all on a journey of "I don't really know where I'm going..." so I thought it was reflected well.

Okay, I may be lying, but still, better than most of what's on tv nowadays.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:33 am

i liked 4 and 5a lot more on rewatching. They nver scale teh heights of 2 and 3 tho.

6 is blatently the worst. And 7 is awesome.

Half way thru Angel Season 5 and loving it.

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:49 am

Buffy 6 is Whedon does Eastenders. The last half dozen episodes I love (barring the middle of Grave - it's "right, great start... now, how do we get to the great finish? uhm..."). But overall you can tell Marti Noxon was showrunning...

Season 5 of Angel is superb.

Bender · Post by **Bender** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:58 pm

Now here's a thread I've been looking for since I joined this site

Best, I think your evlauation of the Buffy seasons is spot on, except that I wasn't as thrilled with season 7 as you seemed to be; I thought it had some very good episodes ("Converstions with Dead People") but overall lacked the luster it could have, especially the end.

You will not be disappointed by season 5 of Angel; for me, it really helped save the show from the dismal stretch of Connor through seasons 3 and 4, although Angelus' return for an arc helped some too.

Anyone here heard anything new about that proposed show "Ripper" that Whedon was supposedly putting together with Anthony Stewart Head and Max Perlich (Whistler from "Becoming") Maybe it was cast aside for work on Serenity, which I'm ok with.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:46 pm

Ripper looks like something that will never happen sadly. The last time i saw it menioned was in a 'we would love to but its a matter of getting all the right people at the same time' and that was some time ago. Love to be wrong but i don't see it coming about.

Frankly i just want 22 eps of Giles training Andrew in the ways of the Wampyre...

I really dug season 7 - to be honest it was just nice to have everyone acting like themselves again - i thought some of the character arcs in 6 were really forced (especially Xanders). But then of course we have once more with feeling and Spike, so it wasn't all bad.

Angel Season 5 is soooo good so far. I suspect its all about to get very sad.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:57 pm

I just finished Buffy season 5. I was quite impressed. On DVD I think it went over better than it would have on TV, since so many of the eps had cliffhanger endings, and we didn't have to wait for the next one. I thought it was beautiful. The Dawn idea worked so well and I was so afraid it wouldn't. Also, there was the brilliance of "The Body." Very good. I thought 5 was almost up there with 2 & 3.

I was seriously disappointed with a lot of 4. There were moments of brilliance, like "Hush" and whatever that one was called when Buffy and Faith switch bodies, and "Living Conditions" was good, too. But any ep about Riley and the Initiative was just, in your words, sheer bollocks. Chrissy and I did a happy dance when Riley finally left in 5. Could not stand that actor or that character.

I watched three eps of Angel Season 1 and was not impressed. By episode 3 they had to bring in Oz to beef up the show's supporting cast. So if someone tells me it gets better...

Does anyone think a Fray TV show would be good? What I like about the idea is that some of the vamps from the Buffyverse could show up again.

So, I'm thinking about just skipping all of Season 6. Anyone want to sumarize it in two hundred words or less for me?

Post by **Best First** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:10 pm

I'd say 6 was worth doing once. Its not all bad. Just not great by Buffy Standards. Altho whatever the episode is called where Buffy gets a job at the Doublemeat palace - skip that one entirely.

Angel gets better. Much much better.

I quite liked Riley looking back - i can see how he always suffered from, essentially, not being Angel, but Buffy pretty much treated him like ****. Which at the moment i can relate to.

I did enjoy 5 a lot more on second viewing. To be fair i enjoyed 6 a bit more on second viewing as well.

If Whedon did it and actually got creative control i think a Fray series would rock.

I love the Buffyverse. Thank you Joss.

Optimus Prime Rib · Post by **Optimus Prime Rib** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:31 pm

Best First wrote:Buffy gets a job at the Doublemeat palace

Sounds like something unsuitable for children to see.

Post by **Best First** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 4:43 pm

sadly not...

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:39 pm

I don't mind Doublemeat Palace (as it is called). Dead Things is cack, though. Apart from the Trio, of course.

Season 6 works well on its own, with some distance between both the rest of the show and the last time you watched the season, I feel. Thing with it for me is that it was the first full season I actually saw... it never hooked me, but I was able to watch and enjoy... to me, it'll always be my first full taste of the Buffyverse, so I can't hate it.

Plus the fact that pretty much every important story development through season 7 has its roots in the events of season 6 - Anya/Xander, Spike/Buffy, Willow's arc, Dawn's quest to belong, Andrew - without what happened in s6, they wouldn't mean anywhere near what they do.

Predabot · Post by **Predabot** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:24 pm

sprunkner wrote:Firefly comics? I must know.

There you go laddie.

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthr ... t=Serenity

Well, perhaps more like Serenity-comics I suppose.

Post by **Best First** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:51 pm

The Serenity cast will include such returning Firefly cast members as Nathan Fillion as Captain Malcolm 'Mal' Reynolds, Gina Torres as Zoe Warren, Morena Baccarin as Inara Serra, Jewel Staite as Kaylee Frye, Adam Baldwin as Jayne Cobb, Sean Maher as Dr. Simon Tam and Summer Glau as River Tam

does that mean Wash isn't in it?

Brendocon · Post by **Brendocon** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:55 pm

"such [] as" = "including but not restricted to"

Post by **Denyer** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:30 pm

Brendocon wrote:with Fray, it's "no - look, it's been around a couple of years, mate."

Be nice if it was in a continuity more people knew about. But then it'd have been nice if the Beeb hadn't cut chunks out of the show...

There are quite a lot of episodes I'd cut out of Buffy, but there's a hard core of fantastic.

Post by **Best First** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:50 am

Brendocon wrote:"such [] as" = "including but not restricted to"

just seemed odd they listed all the main cast but him.

sprunkner · Post by **sprunkner** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:24 pm

Whose got thoughts on the Serenity preview?

I liked it. Some of the assassin guy looked a little rehashy of "Objects in Space." Nice line about "I don't murder children." "I do."

I wonder if it will actually answer questions. Appears to be an assassin guy going after River and killing people (not too different) and then Reavers get involved somehow. Maybe Serenity finds a way to play the Reavers and the Alliance against each other.