Things like this make me glad I don't drive.

[Professor Smooth]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/ ... 4120.shtml

States Mull Taxing Drivers By Mile

CORVALLIS, Ore., Feb. 14, 2005



Taxing By The Mile

Jayson Just commutes 2,000 miles a month. (Photo: CBS)



"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that."
David Kim,
engineer

Toyota's fuel-efficient hybrid (Photo: AP)


(CBS) College student Jayson Just commutes an odometer-spinning 2,000 miles a month. As CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes reports, his monthly gas bill once topped his car payment.

"I was paying about $500 a month," says Just.

So Just bought a fuel efficient hybrid and said goodbye to his gas-guzzling BMW.

And what kind of mileage does he get?

"The EPA estimate is 60 in the city, 51 on the highway," says Just.

And that saves him almost $300 a month in gas. It's great for Just but bad for the roads he's driving on, because he also pays a lot less in gasoline taxes which fund highway projects and road repairs. As more and more hybrids hit the road, cash-strapped states are warning of rough roads ahead.

Officials in car-clogged California are so worried they may be considering a replacement for the gas tax altogether, replacing it with something called "tax by the mile."

Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea.

"Drivers will get charged for how many miles they use the roads, and it's as simple as that," says engineer David Kim.

Kim and his team at Oregon State University equipped a test car with a global positioning device to keep track of its mileage. Eventually, every car would need one.

"So, if you drive 10 miles you will pay a certain fee which will be, let's say, one tenth of what someone pays if they drive 100 miles," says Kim.

The new tax would be charged each time you fill up. A computer inside the gas pump would communicate with your car's odometer to calculate how much you owe.

The system could also track how often you drive during rush hour and charge higher fees to discourage peak use. That's an idea that could break the bottleneck on California's freeways.

"We're getting a lot of interest from other states," says Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. "They're watching what we're doing.

"Transportation officials across the country are concerned about what's going to happen with the gas tax revenues."

Privacy advocates say it's more like big brother riding on your bumper, not to mention a disincentive to buy fuel-efficient cars.

"It's not fair for people like me who have to commute, and we don't have any choice but take the freeways," says Just. "We shouldn't have to be taxed."

But tax-by-mile advocates say it may be the only way to ensure that fuel efficiency doesn't prevent smooth sailing down the road.


I don't drive (nor do I live in California) so this doesn't really effect me a whole lot. Anybody have some thoughts about this?

[Señior's Covenant]

It's crap.

[Impactor returns 2.0]

they should tax the hell out of large engine cars. you dont need them. its an american thing.

[Professor Smooth]

Then there's this thing which just baffles me.



New Bad Boy Truck Dwarfs the Hummer
By KRISTEN HAYS, AP

JASPER, Texas (Feb. 13) - For some drivers, even a Hummer may not be enough. At a curb weight of more than 3.5 tons, the Humvee-inspired Hummer H1 is no skinny guy who gets sand kicked in his face. But the Bad Boy Heavy Muscle Truck, a dressed-up military vehicle more than twice as heavy, is being billed as bigger, badder and more bodacious.


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A Bad Boy Heavy Muscle Truck, left, dwarfs a Ford F250 pickup truck. The converted military truck can drive through 10 feet of water and climb a 60-degree grade with infrared cameras that peer through darkness.



"It's the rugged Bubba," said Daniel Ayres, president and CEO of Homeland Defense Vehicles LLC and its division Bad Boy Trucks.

The East Texas company aims to market the machine to civilians with disposable cash and a hankering for more protection from the outside world. A $379,000 version made its public debut in January at the Dallas Safari Club convention.

For a base price of $225,000 - nearly twice the Hummer H1 wagon's base price of $117,508 - consumers can get a basic version of the 10-foot-tall Bad Boy that can drive through five feet of water, climb a 60-degree grade, tow six tons and keep rolling even with a quarter-sized hole in the tire's sidewall.

The price goes up from there, depending on options. Drivers can get infrared cameras that peer through darkness. The flat-nosed cab can be bulletproof, and house a mini-safe behind three leather seats. The dash can include a satellite phone, a two-way radio and a global-positioning system - all alongside DVD, MP3 and CD players and a flip-out LCD screen.

For $750,000, buyers can get the fully loaded "NBC" version that can, Ayres said, detect and block out fallout from nuclear, biological and chemical weapons by over-pressurizing the cab with filtered, clean air much like an aircraft.

Ayres said he isn't playing on post-Sept. 11 fears by offering the NBC option.

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"There's a certain group of people who color outside the box," Ayres said, and if they want to escape a city targeted by terrorists with dirty bombs or biological agents, "this is the truck for them."

Possible Bad Boy customers include ranchers, sports enthusiasts and possibly CEOs who need to travel through unfriendly areas, Ayres said. He said he is negotiating with dealers in various regions to stock a couple of Bad Boys, and customize what buyers want once they're hooked.

Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research and an auto industry expert, said there's definitely a market for Bad Boy Trucks.

"It's exactly what the Humvee was all about - an absolutely useless vehicle for consumers," Spinella said. "It's a statement vehicle. I know people who would buy this and that's the only reason they would do it - because it makes a statement."

Dave Caldwell, a spokesman for Hummer, declined comment on the Bad Boy, noting Hummer has no plans to switch gears from its established Hummer H1 and more SUV-like Hummer H2 brands, as well as the rollout this spring of the Hummer H3.

"We're pretty focused on our specific mission that it would be hard to imagine us veering our course for any other reason," he said.

Both the Hummer H1 and the Bad Boy began as military vehicles, and retain that look. On the ceiling of the Bad Boy cab is a mirror, lined by red lights. That's a turret for soldiers with guns in the military version, but "that's not an option we're offering" in the civilian version, Ayres said.

The Hummer H1 emerged from Humvees built for the U.S. Army by AM General in South Bend, Ind. In 2000 General Motors bought the Hummer brand.

The basic Bad Boy is a light tactical military truck built for the Army by Houston-based Stewart & Stevenson's tactical vehicle unit. Dave Lombardi, marketing director for the unit in Sealy, about 60 miles west of Houston, said the company recognized a commercial market for the truck, though likely not as big as the Hummer market, and in 2004 turned years of talks with Ayres into action.

Stewart & Stevenson participates like a wholesaler, Lombardi said. "We'll build the base, he'll trick it out," he said.

Ayres' company in Newton, Texas, isn't limiting itself to the Bad Boy. The company has forged a partnership with Parliament Coach Corp., a Clearwater, Fla.-based manufacturer of luxury motor coach conversions, to produce high-line motor coaches equipped to block out nuclear radiation and chemical and biological agents - for $1 million or more.

The company aims to sell 50 Bad Boys this year, which Spinella said was possible in its niche market.

Ayres hasn't sold one yet, but he isn't worried.

"Now Hummers are a dime a dozen," Ayres said. "This is a 100 percent military specification truck ... The most get-anywhere truck in the world."

02/13/05 14:30 EST

[IronHide]

they should tax the hell out of large engine cars. you dont need them. its an american thing.

Why? Just cause they're faster than a little 4 cylinder compact? True they get terrible gas mileage, but in Cali, classic cars are a everywhere.

I think it's dumb. The less people using gas the cheaper gas will become. Looks like they're trying to find another source of revenue. Gotta love the oil industry.