Religon and Homosexuality

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:40 pm

from another source but hey....

Being Religous
Unusual Letters

Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality, who dispensed advice to people who called in to her [now cancelled] radio show. On that show she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew,
homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22, and
cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny as well as thought-provoking.

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Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to
share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him/her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an
abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep
with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,
Homer Simpson-Caldwell

I liked it...

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:11 am

This is pretty old, but maybe you guys haven't seen it. Anyway is the fear that gays have about religious views based upon pwer and legislation? I really don't see how it could bother them otherwise. There are always negative people in life, you just have to learn to avoid them, or repel.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:15 am

Ultimate Weapon wrote:This is pretty old, but maybe you guys haven't seen it. Anyway is the fear that gays have about religious views based upon pwer and legislation? I really don't see how it could bother them otherwise. There are always negative people in life, you just have to learn to avoid them, or repel.

I don't fear anti-homosexuals; I want to to understand why they fear/condemn me based upon belief instead of experience.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:21 am

Im sturing badley here arnt I?

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:27 am

Impactor returns 2.0 wrote:Im sturing badley here arnt I?

Stir well then bake in the oven on Gas Mark 5.

Nummy.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:29 am

Karl Lynch wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:This is pretty old, but maybe you guys haven't seen it. Anyway is the fear that gays have about religious views based upon pwer and legislation? I really don't see how it could bother them otherwise. There are always negative people in life, you just have to learn to avoid them, or repel.
I don't fear anti-homosexuals; I want to to understand why they fear/condemn me based upon belief instead of experience.

That makes more sense to me. More of a socialogical thing. I suppose then that the fear is mainly religious. And that such behaviour is only tolerated in a comedic sense, for fear of the unknown. I myself have lived with gay men, and never felt threatened by their presence once.

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:39 am

Sounds sensible- I've never understood why some people (mainly men) feel threatened by homosexuals. The worst they can do is be attracted to you, in which case you just say no. I think it might have something to do with having another man finding you attractive making you yourself less 'manly'.

Strange world

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:46 am

My dad is that way. He thinks gay men will attack you or something. I just view it as a compliment like you said.

Impactor returns 2.0 · Post by **Impactor returns 2.0** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:52 am

I think its more that gay guys seem more in touch with the thier fem side and get on with women easier.

and if they get on with women easier - then straight guys see that as an 'animal' threat?

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 12:53 am

Mrrroaar!

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:02 am

Please let's not gender hop here! A woman is an entirely different animal. Mainly I think she feels less threatened around a gay man because there is no pressure. BUt again her psychology can be very complex at times. And the answers usually remain hidden at first.

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:22 am

The trick is to show the ladies you're close with the gay guys so they think you're in touch with your feminine side too...

Little does everyone know!

Shanti418 · Post by **Shanti418** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:13 am

I didn't know Dr. Laura got cancelled. That's great!!

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:13 am

Dylan wrote:The trick is to show the ladies you're close with the gay guys so they think you're in touch with your feminine side too...

Little does everyone know!

...that you're actually gay.

{drumroll}

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:24 am

Would be quite something!

Post by **Kaylee** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:34 am

Would do be quite something.

And Maetel do be quite something too. But maetel shiny, would hard and brown and we make taybles from it.

We make cars from maetel.

Bordangle.

{takes bow}

Emperor_Starscream · Post by **Emperor_Starscream** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:03 am

well i don't kown why so much problem with that, i mean if i have to kill every person who violates the bible i have to comit genocide. im catholic but if i see a gay i don't really care (near of the institute where i study in night there a lot of them doing "night job") so for me is they can live their lives in the way they want...who cares? me no...of course while they not hurt me or my loved ones...everithing will be ok

Post by **Denyer** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 5:23 am

Ultimate Weapon wrote:an entirely different animal.

It's times like these we realise just how daft some sayings are...

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:38 pm

Denyer wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:an entirely different animal.
It's times like these we realise just how daft some sayings are...

Or retired. I think the phrase falls under the dead words or monotous catch phrases that have a hard time dying. Fo shizzle!

Post by **Best First** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:06 pm

Karl Lynch wrote:Sounds sensible- I've never understood why some people (mainly men) feel threatened by homosexuals.

i feel threatened by homosexuals. They dress better than me.

of course i jest. No one dreses better than me.

I have one prejudice - are you a ****. If not - let me buy you an ale.

metalhead24 · Post by **metalhead24** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:29 pm

Ultimate Weapon wrote:A woman is an entirely different animal.

What about people like me? I don't think that I'm either a man or a woman... I'm just kind of... there. When people look in my pants, they tell me that I'm a man, though. I'm so confused!

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:17 am

metalhead24 wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:A woman is an entirely different animal.
What about people like me? I don't think that I'm either a man or a woman... I'm just kind of... there. When people look in my pants, they tell me that I'm a man, though. I'm so confused!

Actually the confusion is on my part. When I was referring to a woman is a different animal I did not mean literally. I was saying that womankind have different characteristics than men that may extend into the psychological realm when it comes to their behaviour. I belive an autopsy actually found the difference located in the center of our brains. Gender roles are specified by these differences, such as lactation, or the texture of hair folicles.

metalhead24 · Post by **metalhead24** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:19 am

Ultimate Weapon wrote:
metalhead24 wrote:
Ultimate Weapon wrote:A woman is an entirely different animal.
What about people like me? I don't think that I'm either a man or a woman... I'm just kind of... there. When people look in my pants, they tell me that I'm a man, though. I'm so confused!
Actually the confusion is on my part. When I was referring to a woman is a different animal I did not mean literally. I was saying that womankind have different characteristics than men that may extend into the psychological realm when it comes to their behaviour. I belive an autopsy actually found the difference located in the center of our brains. Gender roles are specified by these differences, such as lactation, or the texture of hair folicles.

Fascinating.

I knew what you meant about women being entirely different animals. All that I can say about them is that I really like them.

saysadie · Post by **saysadie** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:37 am

Well, I think I know one thing...

Understanding isn't gonna come from seperation.

They they they they they. I hear people talk about newfies... oh, they blah blah blah... native people, they (it's almost funny in a nonfunny way when people rl seem to forget that's my ethnic background)... homosexuals, they they they...

"They" are people. *shrug* Differences? Pft. Everyone is different.

Post by **Denyer** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:01 am

Newfie?

Karl Lynch wrote:The worst they can do is be attracted to you, in which case you just say no.

But they may be real men too, in which case they'd think "no" meant "yes"... or strong and manly in their manly strength, in which case the heterosexuals wouldn't stand a chance... or... er...

Nebbie · Post by **Nebbie** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 4:32 am

Don't all men do that? 'No' means 'yes' and 'get lost' means 'take me, I'm yours'?

I don't understand why straight men are threatened by gay men and straight women aren't threatened by lesbians. At least I'm not. If one of my girlfriends said she found me attractive, I'd just be flattered. Or I'd probably go out with her. Hasn't happened yet.

Ultimate Weapon · Post by **Ultimate Weapon** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:04 pm

Nebbie wrote:I don't understand why straight men are threatened by gay men and straight women aren't threatened by lesbians. At least I'm not. If one of my girlfriends said she found me attractive, I'd just be flattered. Or I'd probably go out with her. Hasn't happened yet.

I don't know about feeling threatened, but my sister was generally creeped out when she thought her friend was hitting on her. Saying things like, "I Like it when it's just the two of us," or "I like it when you touch me." Etc...

metalhead24 · Post by **metalhead24** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:26 pm

Nebbie wrote:I don't understand why straight men are threatened by gay men and straight women aren't threatened by lesbians. At least I'm not. If one of my girlfriends said she found me attractive, I'd just be flattered. Or I'd probably go out with her. Hasn't happened yet.

I'd be flattered if a guy hit on me, that would mean that I'm passing! I would probably put on my shy feminine voice and tell them that I'm a lesbian... which isn't too far from the truth... Now if I weren't en femme, I would politely tell them that I am simply not interested.

Pretender Bumblebee · Post by **Pretender Bumblebee** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:06 am

I'm a person who thinks that people should be happy and we shouldn't force our religous views on others. I think the fact that homosexuality has become such a big issue is sad in itself when there are so many more important things to devote our time and concern to. Everyone is so intersted in proving how right they are and holding others back due to what religon tells them rather then let people live their lives happily and it shouldn't matter what others do . IF you believe religously what some preach they do, then they will be fine and the rest will rot in hell. But let them live their lives. Bible thumping and forcing things on others only causes more problems.

I think if homosexuals were allowed to have marriages and were not told they were inferior we would see that these things weren't even a problem. Its only a problem due to some fanatical beliefs and wanting to prove how right some are over others. Something that has been going on since the begining of civilization and will be far into the future. basic sociology right there.

Anyone can make any interpretations of things any way they want and its a shame that people will find whatever answers that they want to hear in the bible even if others can see the same thing and view it totaly differently. When it gets to things like racism and slavery and anti science all being seen as ok due to the bible, thats when I stop listening and put on a good movie and let those that just aren't open minded and accepting go on their own way by themselves. I really think this all boils down to straight folks wanting to tell gay folks that they are better in some way. To me everyone is a person and everyone has rights to be happy even if we don't always agree with it.

Post by **Best First** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:05 am

ladies and gentlemen we have a winner.